rec.autos.simulators

Which Card runs best with GP2 both have 2 Megs

Or is the a better Card for F1GP2

I Have Pentium 133 with 8 Edo a  presently a really slow graphics card

Mark

I'm a pc reseller, and I have a P166 w/32mg and a Diamond Stealth 64
Dram card.  I picked the Matrox Millenium, with 4 mg, just after I got
F1GP2, hoping that it would improve the graphics.  NOT!  The results
on my system with the MGP card were the same frame rate as with the
Diamond.  As a matter of fact, some comparison graphics on the back of
the box indicate the Matrox card only a little faster than the
Diamond.  So, I took the matrox back.  Now, if I were going to buy a
new card to replace a standard VGA card, the Matrox is the one I would
buy.

Hope that helps.

Rick in Dallas

PS - upgrade your memory for using programs (Win95 for example) - it
will not make ANY difference to the frame rate of GP2, no matter what
anyone says.

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Richard Sobey

On Fri, 02 Aug 1996 14:32:01 +0300, Roey Lehman

Heck, many PCs only had 512K of _main_ memory at that time :)))

Richard

: PAH! Well, you dont know much about P.c's do you?
: Let me tell you that a friend of mine has a pentium 90 with a 10 year
: old graphics card (ISA of course, 512k)
: A typical pentium 90 would get 90.9  in 3d bench. His gets 32 ! THATS
: RIGHT, 32 !
: He cant run any game that a 486 dx 33 cant run.
: I doubt any game would run at SVGA resolutions, at more than 2 fps.
: My point: please do some research before you reply to such a message.

Well this is a very EXTREME case.  If we are talking about similar bus
cards with similar video memory, the case for improvement over video
cards in DOS holds true to a point.  We may be talking about a couple of
fps's at the most change.  Of course there will always be examples such
as yours.  But, this is not the norm.

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The point is that graphics cards do not a lot of difference make. In
your example, changing the graphic's card on an ISA bus to another
graphics card on an ISA bus will make very little difference to the rate
data can pass across the bus. OTOH, change the bus to PCI but leave the
functions of the graphic card essentially unchanged and you will see a
MAJOR increase in performance.

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Suck The Goat

Keep in mind though, that an upgrade from Vesa (VLB) to PCI wouldnt
give you the same kind of jump in preformance. PCI runs at 30 or 33
MHz depending on your motherboard, while VLB runs at 25, 33, 40, or 50
MHz.

This is kinda trivial, becuase most all upgrades from VLB to PCI also
involve a Pentium class cpu ... :-)

But they can. Albeit only a small differece, but the difference
between 90% processor occupancy and 110% p/o is a lot of some peoples
standards. Or perhaps having the sky texture on or off. Btw, do you
know why the sky takes up so much processor time? Surely it's just a
bitmap which scrolls accordingly. I don't know shit about programming
or texturing techniques, so forgive me if that sounded stupid.

Yes - you're right there. If a program says 8Mb minimum, it will run.
It will load a track slower, and generally be slower than a 16Mb
system, but whilst the hard disk isn't thrashing and the game is still
slow, you'd better think about upgrading that P133 <g>

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Richard Sobey
Are you browning your browns?

FYI, When I bought my new P166 system, the PC place didn't have any
Matrox Millenium in stock, so they let me borrow a Tseng4000w32p
video card until the Millenium came in.

I used the Tseng4000 for a week, including playing Quake,
and when I finally got my Matrox Millenium, I ran it in quake,
and the TIME_REFRESH test at the beginning of the game
gives me a 2FPS increase for the Matrox over the ET4000.

Cheers.

--John

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  John (Joao) Silva
  http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jsilva
  Seattle, Washington USA.

says...

        Wrong......Try running video speed benchmarks involving a MACH64 PCI
card and
a Diamond Stealth 3D 2000 PCI card..Oh, and when you've finished, don't you
dare tell me that you do not see a difference, because there is.

        That's right...because buying a faster card will produce faster
graphics output, which is the jump they need.

        Please do not post bogus information such as this...I have heard
people with P133's and 16 MB of RAM saying that GP2 runs horribly slow on
there computers. If
they had better video cards, there wouldn't be a need for that. The game runs
as smooth as silk on my 16 MB Pentium 100 with a PCI Mach 64 card.

Well I agree with you ;-)

I didn't mean you should go out and replace your video card,
just replying to the person above who said he saw some Quake
graphics benchmarks that say there is no speed difference
between the ET4000w32p and the Matrox Millenium.

I was a happy user of a ET4000w32p VLB on my 486DX2 for 2 years, so
I know they are pretty good, but the Matrox seem to be just a bit better,
and definitely better in Win95, although that comes with a bigger $$ cost.

Cheers.

--John
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  John (Joao) Silva
  http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jsilva
  Seattle, Washington USA.