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If you watch CART you'll see that the cars are also just as evenly
matched, and I think during the last broadcast they mentioned that
there had been 9 different winners in the last 11 races, paraty in
the teams is not what makes NASCAR so popular, like somebody already
mentioned I think NASCAR just does an awesome job marketing its
series, and from what I hear the NASCAR fans are also very brand
loyal, actually buying the products of who sponsors of their favorite
team, this loyalty also attracts lots more sponsorship and allowing more
money to keep the teams and marketing going and so on.

Many of us follow all the racing series, while I don't watch as much
NASCAR as I do CART and F1, I still recognize what NASCAR does right,
you don't have to hate all the other series to be a fan of one of them
(with the exception of the IRL which I hate because they ruined the
Indy500 :-)

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Seeyas on the track.

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Sky

Relatively unknown????????

Last time I checked F1 is shown in close to 100 countries and I believe Cart is
over 50 now, stock cars is no where near that high.  Yes its more popular in
the US, but there are many more millions of race car fans all over the world.

The 2 best race cars drivers in the last 20 years were/are in F1.  Ayrton Senna
and Michael Schumaker.

As for attendence at F1 race, the track will be completly setup different with
less seats, so no comparison can be made.

I like all 3 series, but i say stock car drivers "race" a car, while F1 and
CART "drive" a car and thats the big difference most people dont understand.

I think this is true. World Wide F1 has a larger following. After all F1 is
the
WORLD championship while Cart & Nascar is just the US championship
(cart using washed up F1 drivers). Look at how Zanardi is stinking this
year while Montoya (Williams test driver) is essentially kicking the
American Cart series.

Actually I think Alain Prost goes between Senna & Schu. Also Schu only
got "good" after Senna was no longer on the scene and the rest of the
competition basicly sucked.

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I think the CART series lets the drivers compete more.  In F1 it seems like
you have to have the best team to get results. McLaren or Ferrari are the
two teams right now.  Infact it has always been that way.

Ferrari during the mid 70s.  Lotus in the  78,  McLaren dominated in the
late 80s.  You can be the absolute driver, but without the best team you
are an also ran.  In Cart its not that way.  Juan may be very fast and have
won some races, but he has been beaten.  Cart this year alone has produced
some great racing.  Overall I would rather watch it then F1.

Well I think Niki Lauda rates up there with Prost, Schuy and Senna.  Also
F1 comp has always been great drivers with great teams against also rans.
I think that is the problem with F1.

Dave

It's not rocket science.

 The reason NASCAR is so much more popular than CART or F1 is that it
really doesn't require a process of thought to watch it.  No two cars are
painted the same so you can easily pick out who's leading without having to
go to the touble of paying attention to the race or reading those little
numbers on the sides of the cars.  The drivers have normal, good-old-boy
names like Darryl, Dale and Bobby instead of furrin' names like Mika or
Ralf or Juan.  Fans don't need an attention span because the cars are
always in sight -- relieving them of the effort of having to keep track of
who's in what position.  The cars make nice, round, heavy, chest-pounding
V8 sounds instead of that *** screaming sound -- ("Gawd, they scream like
a wet child, Martha!").  The Sponsors are easily recognizable and are
non-threatening, like The Family Channel, M&Ms and Bud, instead of arcane
and scary sponsors like Rothmans or TAG-Huer.  The cars are cars you see
every day.  Most fans could actually afford to buy a Ford or Chevy -- maybe
even new -- unlike a Ferrari or McLaren.  Finally, there's the "family"
atmosphere at the track.  None of that hoity-toity snobbery of the F1 set,
mind you.  You've got the same big bellied loudmouths, squalling brats and
shrieking shrews you can find in any government subsidised housing complex
in this great country of ours.

NASCAR is to racing what the Jerry Springer show is to television.

But you know what?  I don't care.  I still love it.

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New York, N.Y., Aug. 3 The biggest surprise of the weekend was the fact
that the American Le Mans Series pulled a 1.2 rating with a 3 share for the
second consecutive weekend on NBC, a very consistent performance that should
encourage both NBC and ALMS personnel.

The NASCAR Busch Series ran on TNN, opposite the NHRAs Northwest Nationals
Qualifying on espn2, and pulled a 1.4 rating with a 3 share.

This weekend should see some big numbers coming out of NASCARs Brickyard
400., while CART gets another live network shot with their Tenneco
Automotive Grand Prix of Detroit on the Belle Isle temporary circuit.

NASCAR Busch (TNN) 1.4 rating / 3 share / 1.0m households (hh)
NASCAR Trucks (ESPN) 1.0 rating / 3 share / 0.8m hh
ALMS (NBC) 1.2 rating / 3 share / N/A hh*
ASA (TNN) 0.6 rating / 1 share / 0.4m hh
USAC Silver Bullet (TNN) 0.5 rating / 2 share / 0.4m hh
USAC Sprints (espn2) 0.5 rating / 1 share / 0.3m hh
NHRA Qualifying (espn2) 0.4 rating / 1 share / 0.3m hh
NHRA Semifinals (espn2) 0.8 rating / 2 share / 0.5m hh
NHRA Finals (espn2) 0.8 rating / 1 share / 0.5m hh
John Gardner

Apparently, it doesn't require much of one to post to usenet either.
You've incriminated yourself into sounding like enough of a redneck that
I'll leave everything else you said alone.  Except for one thing...

The sound of an F1 car is far FAR from "*** sounding."  Matter of fact,
I'm almost certain that F1 cars are the loudest piston powered cars on
Earth with the exception of the nitro fueled drag racing categories.

Advanced apologies if you were being sarcastic, but I didn't pick that up
from your post.

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What's fascinating to me is how NBC's trying to get into the racing craze.  
Now I'm glad that the American LeMans series gets nationally televised, but
do you think that gets ratings like CART or WC?  No, but it just goes to show
that if it's on a major network, American's will start to watch it...

Too bad F1's on FSN...

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(Ratings posted Aug5)
NASCAR Busch (TNN) 1.4 rating / 3 share / 1.0m households (hh)
NASCAR Trucks (ESPN) 1.0 rating / 3 share / 0.8m hh
ALMS (NBC) 1.2 rating / 3 share / N/A hh*
ASA (TNN) 0.6 rating / 1 share / 0.4m hh
USAC Silver Bullet (TNN) 0.5 rating / 2 share / 0.4m hh
USAC Sprints (espn2) 0.5 rating / 1 share / 0.3m hh
NHRA Qualifying (espn2) 0.4 rating / 1 share / 0.3m hh
NHRA Semifinals (espn2) 0.8 rating / 2 share / 0.5m hh
NHRA Finals (espn2) 0.8 rating / 1 share / 0.5m hh

(Rating posted July29)
NASCAR Winston Cup (TBS) 5.1 rating / 4 share / 3.9m households (hh)
NASCAR Busch (EPSN) 1.4 rating / 4 share / 1.1m hh
CART FedEx Championship (ABC) 1.2 rating 4 share / 1.2m hh (1.6/4 overnight)
ALMS (NBC) 1.1 rating / 3 share / 1.1m hh (1.2/3 overnight)
ARCA (TBS) 0.9 rating / 3 share / 0.7m hh
NASCAR Trucks (ESPN) 0.8 rating / 2 share / 0.6m hh
USAC Sprints (espn2) 0.5 rating / 1 share / 0.4m hh
ASA (TNN) 0.4 rating / 1 share / 0.3m hh
CART Lights (espn2) 0.3 rating / 1 share / 0.2m hh
SCCA Trans-Am (TNN) 0.2 rating / 1 share / 0.2m hh

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It is a fact in Media that the # of people who tape an XYZ show in
television is the same %, whenever the channel and/or the type of show.  So
per example, there is the same % of people who taped the Brickyard race than
there is who taped the CART Race, of course relative to their rating.  I
can't really say how high that % is, I simply don't remember it.

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