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Major hawaii.exe bugs

Eldred Picke

Major hawaii.exe bugs

by Eldred Picke » Wed, 01 May 1996 04:00:00


>>Yes, I am yelling...
>>WE DO NOT SUPPORT WINDOWS 95 IN THIS BETA RELEASE.  PERIOD.
>>Some people might be able to get it to work, but plain & simple, NASCAR
>>Racing 1.x came out before Win 95, it was never intended to run with Win
>>95, we do not support the standlone game in Win 95 and we do not support
>>multiplayer under Win 95.
>>This is clearly spelled out in the User's Guide.
>>--
>>Ed Martin
>>Papyrus Design Group
> Holy Shit!
> Nice customer relations you're developing there!
>Don't worry Ed, it's not like you need people to buy your products. I
>mean, what good are consumers anyway?
> Idiot!

Well what do you expect him to do, rewrite WIN95 so people can use them
together?!?  Like he said, it wasn't DESIGNED to run in Win95.  If it does on
YOUR system, you're just lucky...

I thought he stated it very well...and fairly politely.  Hey, Micro$oft
would've been a LOT meaner.

Eldred Pickett

I am NOT paranoid.  And why are you always watching me?!?

David Kadlc

Major hawaii.exe bugs

by David Kadlc » Wed, 01 May 1996 04:00:00


>>WE DO NOT SUPPORT WINDOWS 95 IN THIS BETA RELEASE.  PERIOD.
>>Some people might be able to get it to work, but plain & simple, NASCAR
>>Racing 1.x came out before Win 95, it was never intended to run with Win
>>95, we do not support the standlone game in Win 95 and we do not support
>>multiplayer under Win 95.
>>This is clearly spelled out in the User's Guide.
>>--
>>Ed Martin
>>Papyrus Design Group
> Holy Shit!
> Nice customer relations you're developing there!
>Don't worry Ed, it's not like you need people to buy your products. I
>mean, what good are consumers anyway?
> Idiot!

  Dear Idiot,
if it says that Papyrus doesn't support Winbloze 85 and people still
ask stupid question about, I think Ed has the right to got nuts.

Dave.

Bulls F

Major hawaii.exe bugs

by Bulls F » Thu, 02 May 1996 04:00:00

Ed,

How about allowing users to assign a permanent car in her files? First
come, First Serve on the availability of cars?

Jeff

Ed Marti

Major hawaii.exe bugs

by Ed Marti » Thu, 02 May 1996 04:00:00


> Ed,

> How about allowing users to assign a permanent car in her files? First
> come, First Serve on the availability of cars?

> Jeff

We're looking at a lot of ways to allow users to get preferred cars.  
It's going to be a little while though.  The issues are both technical &
legal.  We're dealing with a lot of licensed properties, and even though
the multicar car set is artificial, people are going to want to exchange
cars... some of them real.  We're working on it!
--
Ed Martin
Papyrus Design Group
Eva

Major hawaii.exe bugs

by Eva » Thu, 02 May 1996 04:00:00


?>>Yes, I am yelling...
?
?>>WE DO NOT SUPPORT WINDOWS 95 IN THIS BETA RELEASE.  PERIOD.
?
?>>Some people might be able to get it to work, but plain & simple, NASCAR
?>>Racing 1.x came out before Win 95, it was never intended to run with Win
?>>95, we do not support the standlone game in Win 95 and we do not support
?>>multiplayer under Win 95.
?
?>>This is clearly spelled out in the User's Guide.
?>>--
?>>Ed Martin
?>>Papyrus Design Group
?
?> Holy Shit!
?
?> Nice customer relations you're developing there!
?>Don't worry Ed, it's not like you need people to buy your products. I
?>mean, what good are consumers anyway?
?
?> Idiot!

            Let me get this straight.  Some moron is too lazy to read
the readme.txt, but decides to come in here ranting about "major" bugs
instead.  Ed Martin, understandably exasperated, politely but firmly
corrects the error, and he's the bad guy?  No wonder there aren't more
company reps on-line.  Sheesh......Ed was a lot more composed than I
would have been.  =)

--Evan

B.Kn

Major hawaii.exe bugs

by B.Kn » Thu, 02 May 1996 04:00:00





>> >> I just got done with Nascar Hawaii Because my screen went still,  however the
>> >> car was still moving.  Once earlier tonight,  it brought me back to windows
>> >> for no reason.. There's definetely some bugs in hawaii multiplayer nascar racing

>> >Yes, I am yelling...

>> >WE DO NOT SUPPORT WINDOWS 95 IN THIS BETA RELEASE.  PERIOD.

>> >Some people might be able to get it to work, but plain & simple, NASCAR
>> >Racing 1.x came out before Win 95, it was never intended to run with Win
>> >95, we do not support the standlone game in Win 95 and we do not support
>> >multiplayer under Win 95.

>> >This is clearly spelled out in the User's Guide.
>> >--
>> >Ed Martin
>> >Papyrus Design Group

>>  Holy Shit!

>>  Nice customer relations you're developing there!
>> Don't worry Ed, it's not like you need people to buy your products. I
>> mean, what good are consumers anyway?

>>  Idiot!
>B.Knox
>If you bother to read through this newsgroup, you might notice how much
>I/we do support our customers out here.  However, in this case, I am
>trying to stop people from trying something that we have thoroughly
>tested & do not support -- Windows 95 w/ multiplayer NASCAR.  And, I am
>purposely trying to state it as strongly as possible.
>Multiplayer has been under development for over a year & a half.  During
>that time, we tested it as thoroughly as possible.  We put it into open
>beta with warnings plastered all over it -- we do not support Windows
>95.  Yet people are asking how to do it.
>The purpose of the open beta is to work any remaining bugs out of the
>system, and get as much user feedback as possible.  That is why I
>monitor this newsgroup 3-4 times/day.  However, when I see something
>going "wrong", I certainly think it is my perogative to try to set it
>straight.  I'm sorry if you don't agree with my tone in this particular
>thread.  Perhaps you should read a few other postings of mine before you
>say anything more.
>--
>Ed Martin
>Papyrus Design Group

 Sorry

 I was a little to... well, harsh in my last posting. You're right, I
realize that you frequent this group and  I have seen your postings. I
wish more companies worked like Papyrus. I guess I must of mistaken
you for someone at ID. I just think that it wasn't necessary to make
the person running under Win 95 look like an idiot. I'm not a tester
so I don't know what Hawaii is like, but there could be a multitude of
reasons why he thought he could run under Windows 95. Maybe he didn't
know how to view the "readme" , maybe he didn't know how to boot in
DOS mode, etc.

 Regards, Brett

David Marti

Major hawaii.exe bugs

by David Marti » Thu, 02 May 1996 04:00:00



> > Ed,

> > How about allowing users to assign a permanent car in her files? First
> > come, First Serve on the availability of cars?

> > Jeff

> We're looking at a lot of ways to allow users to get preferred cars.
> It's going to be a little while though.  The issues are both technical &
> legal.  We're dealing with a lot of licensed properties, and even though
> the multicar car set is artificial, people are going to want to exchange
> cars... some of them real.  We're working on it!
> --
> Ed Martin
> Papyrus Design Group

The only time that it should be all that important for someone to drive a specific car is in a
series race.  Everyone in the series could switch to a common carset before dialing HAWAII.
Then when each member of the series joins a series race, it would ask them which car they
drive (1-32).  The first person to specify a car number gets it.  The second person has to
choose a different one.  Series members could agree ahead of time to swap cars if they want
but this wouldn't normally be done.  And Papyrus would only have to replace there random
function with a subroutine to handle getting a number from the user right after getting the
password.  There is no legal issues involved and it could be implemented in 5 minutes.

David Martin
IVL Series Director
dgm26sam

Todd Benz

Major hawaii.exe bugs

by Todd Benz » Thu, 02 May 1996 04:00:00

I totally agree!!!  This should be EASY to implement and will add alot to the sim.
One other thing that could be easy, is to be able to start your engine before you
race, just allow the user to program a button, either on the keyboard or joystick
to start the engine after a voice over sends the command, maybe nit pickin here, but I
think it would be cool, quiet until the command is given, then you hear em fire up!

Thanks Papyrus for bringing Nascar to the "rest" of us, keep up the great work!

Regards,

Todd

Mike Lescaul

Major hawaii.exe bugs

by Mike Lescaul » Fri, 03 May 1996 04:00:00


>There is no legal issues involved and it could be implemented in 5 minutes.

Good idea, but I think you just might be underestimating a bit the
amount of work involved to implement something like that. <G>

Mike_L

David Marti

Major hawaii.exe bugs

by David Marti » Fri, 03 May 1996 04:00:00



> >There is no legal issues involved and it could be implemented in 5 minutes.

> Good idea, but I think you just might be underestimating a bit the
> amount of work involved to implement something like that. <G>

> Mike_L

No, I happen to be a software engineer.  I know exactly what kind of code that Papyrus is
using to implement the assignment of cars.  The function that is called to produce a random
number between 1 and 32 could be replaced by a subroutine that gets a number between 1 and 32
from the driver.  It checks to makes sure noone else is using it.  If noone is then it assigns
that number to that driver.  This doesn't necessarily mean that everyone is driving different
cars.  It is possible for everyone to drive the same car.  You say how? Well, if everyone has
a different car set where, say Terry Labontes car has been moved to occupy different spots in
each car set, then a random selection could find Terry Labontes car several times.  If each
driver were asked what car they were driving and if there were more than 1 #5 Kelloggs car on
the track, the answers could include more than 1 #5 for the first question, but the answer to
the second question would never be 'yes'.

In a series, everyone should be using the same car set.  Thus no two drivers would be driving
the same car.  I'm not sure about the legalities of trading carsets.  It is done every day of
the week.  Noone denies it.  Heck, Tony Johns makes quite an effort at making sure the world
has the latest paintjobs for more than 1 NASCAR Series.  He does a great job of it and I don't
think anyone has suggested that he has broken any laws.  Noone is making any money off of this
except Papyrus and the LD companies, but they aren't making any money from the trading and
distribution of carsets.  Besides, the simulator doesn't even know what the actual paintjobs
look like.  Only the local user does.

Papyrus has mentioned that they are working on this aspect of the project for use with series
racing.

David

Charlie Hea

Major hawaii.exe bugs

by Charlie Hea » Sat, 04 May 1996 04:00:00


>>There is no legal issues involved and it could be implemented in 5 minutes.

>Good idea, but I think you just might be underestimating a bit the
>amount of work involved to implement something like that. <G>

>Mike_L

Five minutes?  No problem.  But what'd we do the other four?

Chas H

Charlie Hea

Major hawaii.exe bugs

by Charlie Hea » Sat, 04 May 1996 04:00:00

 ...

Wow.  Mike, let's hire him!

Tim Villanuev

Major hawaii.exe bugs

by Tim Villanuev » Sat, 04 May 1996 04:00:00

The idea is of course, good... and has been requested for some time.  I'm sorry,
but I just have to respond to your "it could be implemented in 5 minutes".

How do you know this?  You are familiar with Papy's schedule, code, process, and
implementation details?  Sorry.. I hate to nit, but I just find this kind of
comment, well.. badgering and uninformed.  As if thier lack of responding to you
is an admittance of incompetence.  Pleeeaaasssse.

Tim V

David Staine

Major hawaii.exe bugs

by David Staine » Tue, 07 May 1996 04:00:00

Yelling at potential customers Ed?  Shame Shame.

David Staine

Major hawaii.exe bugs

by David Staine » Tue, 07 May 1996 04:00:00



>OK, one last time...
>WE DO NOT SUPPORT WINDOWS 95 IN THIS BETA RELEASE.
>John,
>If you happen to get it working, congratulations.  However, we know that
>it does not work on everyone's system and we do not want people to use
>it.  It's tough enough to track down bugs during a beta involving
>thousands of people without having people use an operatiing system that
>we do not support.
>I know you're just trying to help, but you are not helping us.

>NO WINDOWS 95!
>--
>Ed Martin
>Papyrus Design Group

WOW Ed!  I think you have confused this newsgroup with the
"Official.Papyrus.NASCAR.Design.Group.Only".  I can understand that you do
not support this under win95, but I can't understand why you would care if
someone posts a reply to a question regarding it.  If someone sends you
E-mail or calls you asking these questions then say what you like.  If
someone asks a question in a newsgroup regarding something you don't
support, then feel free not to support an answer.. but don't reply like
this.  It makes you look more like a 3rd grader and less like a designer.  
I'm courious to see if your posts will continue this downhill slide.

BTW, not everything said in this newsgroup is said for the benefit of
Papyrus.


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