rec.autos.simulators

by **Tim Epstei** » Sun, 13 Mar 2005 05:01:46

After much debating about latency, I took the plunge today, and bought a
Viewsonic VP201 20 inch LCD monitor (1600x1200) and an ATI 800XT platinum
video card to drive it.

The screen is just brilliant for photos and other still use, but I bought it
specifically for sims. It was a bit let down. It has 16ms response time,
which I understand is about as fast as it gets for a big screen, and I
understood that this was ok, but it gets very blurry when the car is
cornering. It is not only disconcerting, but I'm actually feeling nauseated.

I read some great reviews of this screen, and a couple of others that warned
that it wasn't fantatic for ***, but bought it anyway.

At least I didn't buy two of them! I'll wait until things improve further,
or buy a smaller (faster) LCD for sim racing.

Tim

by **David G Fishe** » Sun, 13 Mar 2005 05:11:49

I bought a Viewsonic VX910 16ms 19" 1280x1024 a couple of months ago and I
have never seen any blurring. I'm VERY sensitive to low fps or anything on
screen that can make someone nauseous :-p and this monitor has been
flawless. Strange that you would be having such a different experience.
--
David G Fisher

by **Andi Col** » Sun, 13 Mar 2005 07:19:18

Might be worth doing some benchmarks to check that the whole system is
running properly.

I have a 19" 8ms monitor on a PC with a very lowly video card, I have to run
Unreal at 1024*768 to get rid of the blurring.

I also have a 19" 12ms monitor on another monster PC and that runs fine at
the native 1280*1024.

One final comment, there were a while ago some comments that some DVI
implementation would not cope with the data transfer rate to get 1600*1200
working properly. If you DVI and VGA try swapping.

--
Andi.

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>I bought a Viewsonic VX910 16ms 19" 1280x1024 a couple of months ago and I
> have never seen any blurring. I'm VERY sensitive to low fps or anything on
> screen that can make someone nauseous :-p and this monitor has been
> flawless. Strange that you would be having such a different experience.
> --
> David G Fisher

>> After much debating about latency, I took the plunge today, and bought a
>> Viewsonic VP201 20 inch LCD monitor (1600x1200) and an ATI 800XT platinum
>> video card to drive it.

>> The screen is just brilliant for photos and other still use, but I bought
> it
>> specifically for sims. It was a bit let down. It has 16ms response time,
>> which I understand is about as fast as it gets for a big screen, and I
>> understood that this was ok, but it gets very blurry when the car is
>> cornering. It is not only disconcerting, but I'm actually feeling
> nauseated.

>> I read some great reviews of this screen, and a couple of others that
> warned
>> that it wasn't fantatic for ***, but bought it anyway.

>> At least I didn't buy two of them! I'll wait until things improve
>> further,
>> or buy a smaller (faster) LCD for sim racing.

>> Tim

by **Steve Smit** » Sun, 13 Mar 2005 07:22:20

Agree w. DGF. Maybe TE didn't properly vet the settings (rez, refresh,
etc.) I've used a 25ms 19" Dell for sims and FPS for a year. Works gr8 w.
driving sims, not so gr8 w. flying sims, and a little worse w. quick-twitch,
run-n-gun, shoot-em-ups like UT, Far Cry & BF1942. But fine for racing.
Yer LCD is prolly twice as nice as mine. Check yer settings.

> I bought a Viewsonic VX910 16ms 19" 1280x1024 a couple of months ago and I
> have never seen any blurring. I'm VERY sensitive to low fps or anything on
> screen that can make someone nauseous :-p and this monitor has been
> flawless. Strange that you would be having such a different experience.
> --
> David G Fisher

> > After much debating about latency, I took the plunge today, and bought a
> > Viewsonic VP201 20 inch LCD monitor (1600x1200) and an ATI 800XT
platinum
> > video card to drive it.

> > The screen is just brilliant for photos and other still use, but I
bought
> it
> > specifically for sims. It was a bit let down. It has 16ms response time,
> > which I understand is about as fast as it gets for a big screen, and I
> > understood that this was ok, but it gets very blurry when the car is
> > cornering. It is not only disconcerting, but I'm actually feeling
> nauseated.

> > I read some great reviews of this screen, and a couple of others that
> warned
> > that it wasn't fantatic for ***, but bought it anyway.

> > At least I didn't buy two of them! I'll wait until things improve
further,
> > or buy a smaller (faster) LCD for sim racing.

> > Tim

by **Tim Epstei** » Sun, 13 Mar 2005 09:24:38

Thanks for your comments.

Things have improved significantly. The first thing I did when I plugged the
monitor in was drive Richard Burns Rally, then wrote the above message.

An hour or so later, I tried again, and it was much better. It seem that I
need to give the monitor time to warm up, as it was completely cold when I
fired it up and dived (or drived) straight in.

I still notice the blurrying when things move quickly (like when I spin!),
but the screen is now useable. There is always some slight blurryness when
moving, but it is acceptable.

Thanks for your feedback.

Tim

>I bought a Viewsonic VX910 16ms 19" 1280x1024 a couple of months ago and I
> have never seen any blurring. I'm VERY sensitive to low fps or anything on
> screen that can make someone nauseous :-p and this monitor has been
> flawless. Strange that you would be having such a different experience.
> --
> David G Fisher

>> After much debating about latency, I took the plunge today, and bought a
>> Viewsonic VP201 20 inch LCD monitor (1600x1200) and an ATI 800XT platinum
>> video card to drive it.

>> The screen is just brilliant for photos and other still use, but I bought
> it
>> specifically for sims. It was a bit let down. It has 16ms response time,
>> which I understand is about as fast as it gets for a big screen, and I
>> understood that this was ok, but it gets very blurry when the car is
>> cornering. It is not only disconcerting, but I'm actually feeling
> nauseated.

>> I read some great reviews of this screen, and a couple of others that
> warned
>> that it wasn't fantatic for ***, but bought it anyway.

>> At least I didn't buy two of them! I'll wait until things improve
>> further,
>> or buy a smaller (faster) LCD for sim racing.

>> Tim

by **Larr** » Sun, 13 Mar 2005 09:43:48

I think a 19 with 12 or 8ms is as much as you want to push at this time...
The bigger one's aren't 'there' yet.

-Larry

by **Larr** » Sun, 13 Mar 2005 09:44:31

I've heard the 912B is even better, but no one seems to carry the damned
thing.

-Larry

>I bought a Viewsonic VX910 16ms 19" 1280x1024 a couple of months ago and I
> have never seen any blurring. I'm VERY sensitive to low fps or anything on
> screen that can make someone nauseous :-p and this monitor has been
> flawless. Strange that you would be having such a different experience.
> --
> David G Fisher

>> After much debating about latency, I took the plunge today, and bought a
>> Viewsonic VP201 20 inch LCD monitor (1600x1200) and an ATI 800XT platinum
>> video card to drive it.

>> The screen is just brilliant for photos and other still use, but I bought
> it
>> specifically for sims. It was a bit let down. It has 16ms response time,
>> which I understand is about as fast as it gets for a big screen, and I
>> understood that this was ok, but it gets very blurry when the car is
>> cornering. It is not only disconcerting, but I'm actually feeling
> nauseated.

>> I read some great reviews of this screen, and a couple of others that
> warned
>> that it wasn't fantatic for ***, but bought it anyway.

>> At least I didn't buy two of them! I'll wait until things improve
>> further,
>> or buy a smaller (faster) LCD for sim racing.

>> Tim

by **the.internet.u..** » Sun, 13 Mar 2005 09:47:54

> I read some great reviews of this screen, and a couple of others that
warned
> that it wasn't fantatic for ***, but bought it anyway.

> At least I didn't buy two of them! I'll wait until things improve
further,
> or buy a smaller (faster) LCD for sim racing.

> Tim

Judging by the review over at GamePC, I think you really need to check
your settings. They love the thing.

http://www.racesimcentral.net/%5...

by **Tanstaaf** » Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:39:34

I have this monitor and have not encountered what you describe. I run
everything at 1600x1200 (native) on a 9700 pro and sims and shooters show no
blurring.

by **Alan Bernard** » Sun, 13 Mar 2005 13:24:58

I think you're expecting too much and you just might be very sensitive to
blurring.

I know I have a Gateway 18" monitor, Flat Panel, and I notice no blurring or
anything that makes me feel disappointed with my purchase. And this monitor
is nothing big and is in no way top of the line.

If you're looking for the perfect monitor, flawless in every way, you might
as well expect the Indians to win a World Series, both of which are not
likely to happen. :)

Alanb

by **Gil** » Mon, 14 Mar 2005 00:01:14

I concur, my 15" LCD (Dell FP151) works GREAT for all games and N2003.
No blurring, sharp as hell at 50fps.

by **John DiFoo** » Mon, 14 Mar 2005 03:41:09

On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:22:20 GMT, "Steve Smith"

>Agree w. DGF. Maybe TE didn't properly vet the settings (rez, refresh,
>etc.) I've used a 25ms 19" Dell for sims and FPS for a year. Works gr8 w.
>driving sims, not so gr8 w. flying sims, and a little worse w. quick-twitch,
>run-n-gun, shoot-em-ups like UT, Far Cry & BF1942. But fine for racing.
>Yer LCD is prolly twice as nice as mine. Check yer settings.

For those of us who are ignorant savages (like moi)-what settings?
I run the Dell FP2001 (16 ms refresh) at the native 1600 x 1200
setting, and I get some blurring in turns (as well as in UT99 when
rapidly changing my view). With a GeForce 5700FX Ultra that I
have I don't know if it is the monitor, the video card, or something
else...

by **tlgt** » Mon, 14 Mar 2005 04:25:23

I tried a 19" Princeton (24ms) and saw a fair amount of blurring in SCC
and noticed some in most other sims. I ended up with a 19" flat CRT
for about half the price and am very happy with it-picture size is
about 18". But for me cost was a factor and if I was going to get
blurring it just wasn't worth it for me-to spend the extra dollars.

by **JTS** » Tue, 15 Mar 2005 00:56:31

Yes, 24ms is not real fast. I would imagine you would see blurring. I have
a Samsung SyncMaster 710T (17'"; 12ms) that works great for all sims/games.
Using it in digital mode, it really has a great picture too.

by **Tim Epstei** » Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:22:39

I tried to find a 19 inch that ran 1600x1200, but no luck. The 20 inch was
all I could get..

>I think a 19 with 12 or 8ms is as much as you want to push at this time...
>The bigger one's aren't 'there' yet.

> -Larry

>> After much debating about latency, I took the plunge today, and bought a
>> Viewsonic VP201 20 inch LCD monitor (1600x1200) and an ATI 800XT platinum
>> video card to drive it.

>> The screen is just brilliant for photos and other still use, but I bought
>> it specifically for sims. It was a bit let down. It has 16ms response
>> time, which I understand is about as fast as it gets for a big screen,
>> and I understood that this was ok, but it gets very blurry when the car
>> is cornering. It is not only disconcerting, but I'm actually feeling
>> nauseated.

>> I read some great reviews of this screen, and a couple of others that
>> warned that it wasn't fantatic for ***, but bought it anyway.

>> At least I didn't buy two of them! I'll wait until things improve
>> further, or buy a smaller (faster) LCD for sim racing.

>> Tim

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