rec.autos.simulators

by **Tim** » Mon, 05 Aug 2002 12:43:46

Guys,

My brother has been accused of using this 'cheat' in some guys' fixed setup
league. They claim to have some patch that detects that cheat and others
that the papy server.exe cannot catch.

Anyone who knows Jeff (who is pretty average at racing online) would laugh
at the idea that Jeff's lap times in fixed setup racing are faster than some
'very experienced open setup leagues'.

Of course, this league he is in won't mention just who those leagues might
be but I was wondering if anyone else has heard about a patch that is
catching cheats Papy cannot?

Tim White
www.birds-i-view.com/intrac

by **ymenar** » Mon, 05 Aug 2002 13:52:55

> Of course, this league he is in won't mention just who those leagues might
> be but I was wondering if anyone else has heard about a patch that is
> catching cheats Papy cannot?

It's I hope common knowledge that there is a (true) cheat for NR2002 that
permits tyre wear and other stuff to be restarted to zero, therefore giving
them an obvious advantage. It's a reason why many people have stopped
racing online. I doubt there is a software that can catch cheaters.

I also speculate (others too) that since we are more near NR2003 then the
release of NR2002 back at the start of the year, Papyrus has gave up on
NR2002. I would hope not, but remember that they only care about
profitability. Only.

Oh btw I doubt Jeff cheats ;-)

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/
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by **John Pancoas** » Mon, 05 Aug 2002 14:27:13

I too have heard about the cheat mentioned; haven't heard anything about a
"patch" to detect it. Sounds like Jeff's getting railroaded.

John

> > Of course, this league he is in won't mention just who those leagues
might
> > be but I was wondering if anyone else has heard about a patch that is
> > catching cheats Papy cannot?

> It's I hope common knowledge that there is a (true) cheat for NR2002 that
> permits tyre wear and other stuff to be restarted to zero, therefore
giving
> them an obvious advantage. It's a reason why many people have stopped
> racing online. I doubt there is a software that can catch cheaters.

> I also speculate (others too) that since we are more near NR2003 then the
> release of NR2002 back at the start of the year, Papyrus has gave up on
> NR2002. I would hope not, but remember that they only care about
> profitability. Only.

> Oh btw I doubt Jeff cheats ;-)

> --
> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/
> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez
> Corporation - helping America into the New World...

by **Bob** » Mon, 05 Aug 2002 16:05:41

There's some info on the Sierra board that Mike Baker has written a patch to
detect possible cheats by somehow reviewing programs running in the
background.

I think it would probably assume that even the NR Asst option of enabling
the F11 & F12 keys would be some sort of cheat, since it is a "hot key" prog
running in the background.

by **Tim** » Mon, 05 Aug 2002 17:56:34

Thats interesting...

Jeff's uses a lightpen & pad for artwork that uses those keys F11, and or
F12.
You'd think if someone was going to write a hack to detect if certain keys
are enabled they would bother to look into if any other software was using
them, and what software that was.

Man, if their only way of detecting a cheat is to see what keys are avail,
man thats lame. Hell I could do that LOL

--
Tim White
www.intracmotorsports.com

> There's some info on the Sierra board that Mike Baker has written a patch
to
> detect possible cheats by somehow reviewing programs running in the
> background.

> I think it would probably assume that even the NR Asst option of enabling
> the F11 & F12 keys would be some sort of cheat, since it is a "hot key"
prog
> running in the background.

> > Guys,

> > My brother has been accused of using this 'cheat' in some guys' fixed
> setup
> > league. They claim to have some patch that detects that cheat and
others
> > that the papy server.exe cannot catch.

> > Anyone who knows Jeff (who is pretty average at racing online) would
laugh
> > at the idea that Jeff's lap times in fixed setup racing are faster than
> some
> > 'very experienced open setup leagues'.

> > Of course, this league he is in won't mention just who those leagues
might
> > be but I was wondering if anyone else has heard about a patch that is
> > catching cheats Papy cannot?

> > Tim White
> > www.birds-i-view.com/intrac

by **David G Fishe** » Mon, 05 Aug 2002 17:57:33

I never heard about this until right now.

David G Fisher

by **Joachim Trens** » Mon, 05 Aug 2002 20:22:04

Tim, you shouldn't be so critical of this.

Of course this key detection method (if that's really what it is) isn't
optimal, but at least, it's an attempt. More than most of us have done to
help doing something against the cheat situation.

Anything that can detect cheats, and even if it doesn't work 100%, is a
welcome means of prevention against cheats. Cheaters must be left in
uncertainty as to whether they can be detected, so as to at least perhaps
prevent the more consciencious or timid ones from trying it.

Negative side effects are annoying, but these are not the fault of those who
try to write cheat detection programs, they're the fault of those who write
and use cheats.

Achim

by **Blak** » Mon, 05 Aug 2002 18:24:28

that cheat has been around since TEN,,,,,
: I too have heard about the cheat mentioned; haven't heard anything about a
: "patch" to detect it. Sounds like Jeff's getting railroaded.
:
: John
:
:

: > > Of course, this league he is in won't mention just who those leagues
: might
: > > be but I was wondering if anyone else has heard about a patch that is
: > > catching cheats Papy cannot?
: >
: >
: > It's I hope common knowledge that there is a (true) cheat for NR2002 that
: > permits tyre wear and other stuff to be restarted to zero, therefore
: giving
: > them an obvious advantage. It's a reason why many people have stopped
: > racing online. I doubt there is a software that can catch cheaters.
: >
: >
: > I also speculate (others too) that since we are more near NR2003 then the
: > release of NR2002 back at the start of the year, Papyrus has gave up on
: > NR2002. I would hope not, but remember that they only care about
: > profitability. Only.
: >
: > Oh btw I doubt Jeff cheats ;-)
: >
: >
: > --
: > -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
: > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/
: > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez
: > Corporation - helping America into the New World...
: >
: >
: >
:
:

by **Jan Verschuere** » Mon, 05 Aug 2002 20:50:02

I've seen it mentioned... haven't felt the urge to look into it yet. If
someone needs to cheat to beat me that's pretty lame, I think.

Jan.
=---

by **Chris McNai** » Mon, 05 Aug 2002 21:15:15

says...

> I too have heard about the cheat mentioned; haven't heard anything about a
> "patch" to detect it. Sounds like Jeff's getting railroaded.

> John

> > > Of course, this league he is in won't mention just who those leagues
> might
> > > be but I was wondering if anyone else has heard about a patch that is
> > > catching cheats Papy cannot?

> > It's I hope common knowledge that there is a (true) cheat for NR2002 that
> > permits tyre wear and other stuff to be restarted to zero, therefore
> giving
> > them an obvious advantage. It's a reason why many people have stopped
> > racing online. I doubt there is a software that can catch cheaters.

> > I also speculate (others too) that since we are more near NR2003 then the
> > release of NR2002 back at the start of the year, Papyrus has gave up on
> > NR2002. I would hope not, but remember that they only care about
> > profitability. Only.

> > Oh btw I doubt Jeff cheats ;-)

> > --
> > -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/
> > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez
> > Corporation - helping America into the New World...

How ironic. He's being railroaded because he was driving like he
was on rails.

by **Eldre** » Mon, 05 Aug 2002 21:55:46

>It's I hope common knowledge that there is a (true) cheat for NR2002 that
>permits tyre wear and other stuff to be restarted to zero, therefore giving
>them an obvious advantage.

Damn, I hadn't heard that... That sucks...

Eldred
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by **Tim** » Tue, 06 Aug 2002 01:09:45

Achim,

You know, for awhile I considered your opinions on sim issues valuable but
what you just said was almost as lame as what happen to Jeff LOL

Jeff, like I said is average at best, and was waxing their butts in their
league. Jeff asked me to join and I waxed HIS ***and they didnt call me a
cheater.

Your points about trying to do the right thing for the community is valid.
Was is not is making the assumption that decent people who play fair must
suffer. Jeff isn't bent out of shape over this. It was (IN MY OPNION) a
lame league, 25% moderate damage, 1/3 of all their racing was under caution.

But, I'm glad to see that the innocent need to suffer for the greater good,
EVEN IN AMERICA LOL !!!

--
Tim White
www.intracmotorsports.com

> Tim, you shouldn't be so critical of this.

> Of course this key detection method (if that's really what it is) isn't
> optimal, but at least, it's an attempt. More than most of us have done to
> help doing something against the cheat situation.

> Anything that can detect cheats, and even if it doesn't work 100%, is a
> welcome means of prevention against cheats. Cheaters must be left in
> uncertainty as to whether they can be detected, so as to at least perhaps
> prevent the more consciencious or timid ones from trying it.

> Negative side effects are annoying, but these are not the fault of those
who
> try to write cheat detection programs, they're the fault of those who
write
> and use cheats.

> Achim

> > Thats interesting...

> > Jeff's uses a lightpen & pad for artwork that uses those keys F11, and
or
> > F12.
> > You'd think if someone was going to write a hack to detect if certain
keys
> > are enabled they would bother to look into if any other software was
using
> > them, and what software that was.

> > Man, if their only way of detecting a cheat is to see what keys are
avail,
> > man thats lame. Hell I could do that LOL

> > --
> > Tim White
> > www.intracmotorsports.com

by **Bob** » Tue, 06 Aug 2002 01:47:21

I didn't mean that simply using the F11 & F12 keys could be detected as a
possible cheat. The NR Assistant program contains a KeyboardHook.dll, that
when enabled will cycle through the other keys so you don't have to hunt
for and press them individually.

I don't know that Baker's patch actually detects this particular routine. I
was just make an assumption since it is a hotkey prog running in the
background behind N2K2.

> Thats interesting...

> Jeff's uses a lightpen & pad for artwork that uses those keys F11, and or
> F12.
> You'd think if someone was going to write a hack to detect if certain keys
> are enabled they would bother to look into if any other software was using
> them, and what software that was.

> Man, if their only way of detecting a cheat is to see what keys are avail,
> man thats lame. Hell I could do that LOL

> --
> Tim White
> www.intracmotorsports.com

> > There's some info on the Sierra board that Mike Baker has written a
patch
> to
> > detect possible cheats by somehow reviewing programs running in the
> > background.

> > I think it would probably assume that even the NR Asst option of
enabling
> > the F11 & F12 keys would be some sort of cheat, since it is a "hot key"
> prog
> > running in the background.

> > > Guys,

> > > My brother has been accused of using this 'cheat' in some guys' fixed
> > setup
> > > league. They claim to have some patch that detects that cheat and
> others
> > > that the papy server.exe cannot catch.

> > > Anyone who knows Jeff (who is pretty average at racing online) would
> laugh
> > > at the idea that Jeff's lap times in fixed setup racing are faster
than
> > some
> > > 'very experienced open setup leagues'.

> > > Of course, this league he is in won't mention just who those leagues
> might
> > > be but I was wondering if anyone else has heard about a patch that is
> > > catching cheats Papy cannot?

> > > Tim White
> > > www.birds-i-view.com/intrac

by **Bob** » Tue, 06 Aug 2002 00:45:39

I didn't mean that simply using the F11 & F12 keys could be detected as a
possible cheat. The NR Assistant program contains a KeyboardHook.dll, that
when enabled will cycle through the other keys so you don't have to hunt
for and press them individually.

I don't know that Baker's patch actually detects this particular routine. I
was just make an assumption since it is a hotkey prog running in the
background behind N2K2.

> Thats interesting...

> Jeff's uses a lightpen & pad for artwork that uses those keys F11, and or
> F12.
> You'd think if someone was going to write a hack to detect if certain keys
> are enabled they would bother to look into if any other software was using
> them, and what software that was.

> Man, if their only way of detecting a cheat is to see what keys are avail,
> man thats lame. Hell I could do that LOL

> --
> Tim White
> www.intracmotorsports.com

> > There's some info on the Sierra board that Mike Baker has written a
patch
> to
> > detect possible cheats by somehow reviewing programs running in the
> > background.

> > I think it would probably assume that even the NR Asst option of
enabling
> > the F11 & F12 keys would be some sort of cheat, since it is a "hot key"
> prog
> > running in the background.

> > > Guys,

> > > My brother has been accused of using this 'cheat' in some guys' fixed
> > setup
> > > league. They claim to have some patch that detects that cheat and
> others
> > > that the papy server.exe cannot catch.

> > > Anyone who knows Jeff (who is pretty average at racing online) would
> laugh
> > > at the idea that Jeff's lap times in fixed setup racing are faster
than
> > some
> > > 'very experienced open setup leagues'.

> > > Of course, this league he is in won't mention just who those leagues
> might
> > > be but I was wondering if anyone else has heard about a patch that is
> > > catching cheats Papy cannot?

> > > Tim White
> > > www.birds-i-view.com/intrac

by **Mike Grand** » Tue, 06 Aug 2002 03:36:56

You're just a regular ***waxer, aren't you. (-:

disclaimer: this post has absolutely no pertinent information or m***
value.

--
Mike Grandy
www.precision-racing.com

> Achim,

> You know, for awhile I considered your opinions on sim issues valuable but
> what you just said was almost as lame as what happen to Jeff LOL

> Jeff, like I said is average at best, and was waxing their butts in their
> league. Jeff asked me to join and I waxed HIS ***and they didnt call me
a
> cheater.

> Your points about trying to do the right thing for the community is valid.
> Was is not is making the assumption that decent people who play fair must
> suffer. Jeff isn't bent out of shape over this. It was (IN MY OPNION) a
> lame league, 25% moderate damage, 1/3 of all their racing was under
caution.

> But, I'm glad to see that the innocent need to suffer for the greater
good,
> EVEN IN AMERICA LOL !!!

> --
> Tim White
> www.intracmotorsports.com

> > Tim, you shouldn't be so critical of this.

> > Of course this key detection method (if that's really what it is) isn't
> > optimal, but at least, it's an attempt. More than most of us have done
to
> > help doing something against the cheat situation.

> > Anything that can detect cheats, and even if it doesn't work 100%, is a
> > welcome means of prevention against cheats. Cheaters must be left in
> > uncertainty as to whether they can be detected, so as to at least
perhaps
> > prevent the more consciencious or timid ones from trying it.

> > Negative side effects are annoying, but these are not the fault of those
> who
> > try to write cheat detection programs, they're the fault of those who
> write
> > and use cheats.

> > Achim

> > > Thats interesting...

> > > Jeff's uses a lightpen & pad for artwork that uses those keys F11, and
> or
> > > F12.
> > > You'd think if someone was going to write a hack to detect if certain
> keys
> > > are enabled they would bother to look into if any other software was
> using
> > > them, and what software that was.

> > > Man, if their only way of detecting a cheat is to see what keys are
> avail,
> > > man thats lame. Hell I could do that LOL

> > > --
> > > Tim White
> > > www.intracmotorsports.com

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