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by **Graham Trigg** » Mon, 31 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Which would raise another question - why can't you hear crowd noises in any
F1 sim? If the drivers say they can hear it, then it should be in - but
nobody has claimed about that so far...

G

by **Gavin Thoma** » Mon, 31 Jul 2000 04:00:00

I will have to disagree with you here.

OK, there is some matter in space, but the amounts are so minute in
comparison to the atmosphere say, they is no way the human ear would be able
to detect sound because of inteections with them.

Thats why 2001 is a 'quiet' movie, in comparison to something like Star
Wars. Arthur C Clarke went for realism, whereas Lucus went for 'atmosphere'.

Both have their merits.

Gavin 'Sharknose' Thomas

> Now, without getting silly; I haven't been to outer space yet, so I can't
> speak from experience, but space contains enough free matter (mostly
> gaseous) for energy to be transmitted from one point to another.
> Theoretically, therefore sounds should be able to be heard in outer space.
> --
> -Ace-
> (GPLRank -0.34)

> <snip>.

> > > This is confusing stuff. Can or can't you hear sounds in space?

> > > Andre

> > NO!
> > Alan

by **speed race** » Mon, 31 Jul 2000 04:00:00

yep, nothing wrong with 2001... the silence was beautiful.

speedracer

> I will have to disagree with you here.

> OK, there is some matter in space, but the amounts are so minute in
> comparison to the atmosphere say, they is no way the human ear would be
able
> to detect sound because of inteections with them.

> Thats why 2001 is a 'quiet' movie, in comparison to something like Star
> Wars. Arthur C Clarke went for realism, whereas Lucus went for
'atmosphere'.

> Both have their merits.

> Gavin 'Sharknose' Thomas

> > Now, without getting silly; I haven't been to outer space yet, so I
can't
> > speak from experience, but space contains enough free matter (mostly
> > gaseous) for energy to be transmitted from one point to another.
> > Theoretically, therefore sounds should be able to be heard in outer
space.
> > --
> > -Ace-
> > (GPLRank -0.34)

> > <snip>.

> > > > This is confusing stuff. Can or can't you hear sounds in space?

> > > > Andre

> > > NO!
> > > Alan

by **Ian** » Mon, 31 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Well, I guess he couldn't hear him either then ;)

--
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by **Bendit** » Tue, 01 Aug 2000 04:00:00

>No, I disagree, because outer space is actually full of various molecules,
>they just are relatively far apart, much thinner than the air in the
>stratosphere, but they're there nonetheless.

Sound requires a medium to propagate, and a few (or few dozen or few
hundred) molecules and atoms per cubic centimetre is not a medium in any
acoustic sense of the word. In other words, in space no one can hear you
scream. Nevertheless, shock waves can propagate in the interstellar medium,
particularly following *** events like supernovae, as was observed in
1987 in the Large Magellanic Cloud (a small, neighbouring galaxy). Also, if
you're inside a spaceship which is hit by some uber-weapon, you'll
definitely hear that when it hits! :)

This lesson in astrophysics brought to you by Boring Conversationalists
Inc.

Bendito;

by **N..** » Tue, 01 Aug 2000 04:00:00

On Sun, 30 Jul 2000 22:30:09 +0200, "TIC"

I don't have time to be looking in my mirrors continually.

I told you why it is needed. We are not in a real F1 car. Some
concessions have to be made. Every sim on the planet except for the GP
series has other car sounds.If you had a choice are you saying you
would rather have no other car sounds? Me thinks not.

When they are on your ass.
--
Nos

by **Eldre** » Tue, 01 Aug 2000 04:00:00

>yep, nothing wrong with 2001... the silence was beautiful.

I *still* haven't seen that movie yet... :)

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by **N..** » Tue, 01 Aug 2000 04:00:00

spoke:

What? Read the book first then rent the movie. You'll understand it
better that way.
--
Nos

by **Uncle Feste** » Tue, 01 Aug 2000 04:00:00

> >yep, nothing wrong with 2001... the silence was beautiful.

> I *still* haven't seen that movie yet... :)

Maybe *next* year, huh? <g>

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by **Peter Ive** » Tue, 01 Aug 2000 04:00:00

>.com>

<snip>

>Hi Alan,

>Possibly, but when sat in the pits you can hear the other cars go past out on
>the track, but you don't hear them when they come into the pits and pass
>you,
>surely the real drivers can hear them with throttles blipping and then silence.
>That would really add to the immersion.

>I think it was just left out along with one or two other things ;-))
>Cheers

Actually the sound of the cars going by on the track whilst you are in
the pits is only there for effect. The other cars are not actually
passing the pits when you hear those engine sounds. :(
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by **Simon Brow** » Tue, 01 Aug 2000 04:00:00

So why can you still only hear one car from the tv views with the whole
field streaming past in silience? And why does it say on the official GP3
site "industry leading audio including 3d sound". 3d sound it definitely is
not.

by **m.seer** » Tue, 01 Aug 2000 04:00:00

There have been many reports over the years, from drivers racing in the wet,
and how they only know when to brake by listening to the car ahead. The
rooster tails and mist thrown up from cars ahead make vision almost
impossible sometimes.

MS

Like Coulthard saw Schumacher at Spa <G>

by **m.seer** » Tue, 01 Aug 2000 04:00:00

So 2001 was a sim and Star wars was arcade? <G>

MS

by **Eldre** » Tue, 01 Aug 2000 04:00:00

>>Why?

>>If someone is making a passing manouvre on your car, you should know from
>>your mirrors. Your mirrors also tells you which side he is on. When you
>>can't see him (nor hear him) you are running side by side - the exciting
>>part :) - moments later his back in the mirrors or in front of you.

>I don't have time to be looking in my mirrors continually.

I think there should be sounds too, but I don't agree with your argument. Even
if you had a 21" monitor, the mirror can't be THAT far from the track(racing
line) you're looking at. You can't see it in your peripheral vision? Sounds
like you have tunnel vision...

Eldred
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by **TIC** » Wed, 02 Aug 2000 04:00:00

> Like Coulthard saw Schumacher at Spa <G>

Hehe.. actually it was the other way around... Shummie couldn't _hear_ slow
Davie in in front of him ... <VBG>

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