rec.autos.simulators

by **Daniel Salzman** » Fri, 13 Sep 1996 04:00:00

I missing the rain weather in the GP2
i can help my?

thanks mario from switzerland

by **'John' Joao Sil** » Sat, 14 Sep 1996 04:00:00

>I missing the rain weather in the GP2
>i can help my?

>thanks mario from switzerland

Rain and Weather effects are not in GP2 yet, they were features that were
promised by Microprose but they ran out of time to implement them
in the game.

There has been some talk that there will be a GP2 addon or patch that
will have weather effects as well as 1996 drivers and maybe even network
racing.

Cheers.

--John
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Seattle, Washington USA.

by **torbjorn wahlstro** » Sat, 14 Sep 1996 04:00:00

** I missing the rain weather in the GP2
** i can help my?
**
** thanks mario from switzerland

Who is your English teacher? I wish him luck...

by **Tuxedo B** » Sun, 15 Sep 1996 04:00:00

>** I missing the rain weather in the GP2
>** i can help my?
>**
>** thanks mario from switzerland

>Who is your English teacher? I wish him luck...

Excuse this person's remark, I do not know if he was joking or not...
Microprose programmed the weather into GP2, but they did not implement it.
Wait for a patch.

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by **Julian Anderso** » Tue, 17 Sep 1996 04:00:00

You and everyone else is missing the rain mate!!.

***y networks missing too !!!

Having followed GP racing for the last god knows how many years (I have
been to every British GP since 1977) I cannot recall a season, where at
least one GP was not a wet race. And Mr Crammond lives in Britain too, so
he should know what rain is all about or Perhaps he lives in a
greenhouse??

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by **Homer Simpso** » Fri, 20 Sep 1996 04:00:00

> You and everyone else is missing the rain mate!!.

> ***y networks missing too !!!

> Having followed GP racing for the last god knows how many years (I have
> been to every British GP since 1977) I cannot recall a season, where at
> least one GP was not a wet race. And Mr Crammond lives in Britain too, so
> he should know what rain is all about or Perhaps he lives in a
> greenhouse??

> -----------------------------------------------------------------

> Southend, Essex. UK
> -----------------------------------------------------------------are u saying u would of waited another 6 months for the release of gp2

just of a wet race i don't think so, the wet race menu options are in
gp2 they just didn't have time but they will do it and they have to do a
patch and 96 update but all this will come so everybody stop arguing
about whats not in it and play it its the best f1 sim game in the world
and nothing will come close for a long time. If u don't believe me about
the wet race options just get yourself a hex editor and edit the gp2.exe
file and search for the word wet youll see all the options they made.

by **Ashraf Ghebranio** » Sat, 21 Sep 1996 04:00:00

>Subject: Re: GP2 to rain weather
>Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 01:18:30 +1100

>> You and everyone else is missing the rain mate!!.

>> ***y networks missing too !!!

>> Having followed GP racing for the last god knows how many years (I have
>> been to every British GP since 1977) I cannot recall a season, where at
>> least one GP was not a wet race. And Mr Crammond lives in Britain too, so
>> he should know what rain is all about or Perhaps he lives in a
>> greenhouse??

>> -----------------------------------------------------------------

>> Southend, Essex. UK
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------are u saying
>u would of waited another 6 months for the release of gp2
>just of a wet race i don't think so, the wet race menu options are in
>gp2 they just didn't have time but they will do it and they have to do a
>patch and 96 update but all this will come so everybody stop arguing
>about whats not in it and play it its the best f1 sim game in the world
>and nothing will come close for a long time. If u don't believe me about
>the wet race options just get yourself a hex editor and edit the gp2.exe
>file and search for the word wet youll see all the options they made.

What a ***! They didn't have time. BULLSHIT! THEY not us set the criteria for
the game. I remember the release STATING weather changes, voice overs,
realistic game play. Now don't tell me they did not have enough time. If they
could not deliver, then they should have said so from the start. Instead, they
produce a beta version of the product, make us pay for the ***y thing, and
then sit back and take note of all the errors we have compiled. Then they
produce the real game sometime late next year and force us to buy yet another
piece of software so we can have what they originally said they would do.
That's pretty smart thinking from the guy who thought of it! I wonder if he
gets 30% off the top?

And before people jump up and down on me here is a list of the things they
could not be bothered to have ready for the beta release.

1) Unrealistic pit stops
2) Weather changes
3) car reactions seem a little 'fixed'
4) If you run into a wall at full speed, there is a good chance you will avoid
any damage to the car!
5) Graphic bugs
6) HELLO!! It's 1996! The game was released in 1996! Why the fruck do you give
us 1994 stats!!! What happened to 1995? Oh it's in the patch version..

There are others.

Basically, what they should have done is release a shareware/demo version on
one of those PC magazines on those demo CD-roms. Just one track or so, and let
those of us who had been*** out since September 1995 for 'something'. No!
Geoff is too finicky they said. He wants it PERFECT! And then they release a
sub standard version. The only thing perfect about Geoff is his thinking. This
way he gets paid twice for the one game. Let's all praise the Geoff.

Remember, they set the goal posts, they set the time, and they failed to
deliver. First it was delayed by up to 8 months, and then when it was
released, it was not the all singing all perfect game that the Microprose PR
team had promised.

Basically, if I was a business, and MICRPOROSE had given me a tender promising
the moon and then delivering bad pictures of the moon, I would be obliged to
sue them. But Microprose reckons it can get away with this kind of shit all
the time. After all, it's only a game.

Ashraf

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by **Joseph Mar** » Sat, 21 Sep 1996 04:00:00

(Ashraf Ghebranious) writes:

>>Subject: Re: GP2 to rain weather
>>Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 01:18:30 +1100

>>> You and everyone else is missing the rain mate!!.

>>> ***y networks missing too !!!

>>> Having followed GP racing for the last god knows how many years (I
have
>>> been to every British GP since 1977) I cannot recall a season,
where at
>>> least one GP was not a wet race. And Mr Crammond lives in Britain
too, so
>>> he should know what rain is all about or Perhaps he lives in a
>>> greenhouse??

>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------

>>> Southend, Essex. UK

-----------------------------------------------------------------are u
saying

- Show quoted text -

Nobody dragged me by the ear to my local software store and "made me
pay for the ***y thing". Maybe you should have waited until other
people bought it and started posting their opinions to this newsgroup
before you decided to purchase this product. And, if you don't like
Microprose's policies, then don't buy any more of their products.
That's a pretty easy solution, isn't it ?? By the way, promising more
than the product contains, years in advance, is a fairly common
practice. Hell, if it's good enough for Bill Gates and Microsoft, then
it's good enough for Microprose.

JDM

by **Thomas Krei** » Sat, 21 Sep 1996 04:00:00

From where do you know that ? Facts please, not rumours.

Cheers Thomas
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by **TOBY BRANFO** » Sun, 22 Sep 1996 04:00:00

AG> And before people jump up and down on me here is a list of the
AG> things they could not be bothered to have ready for the beta
AG> release.

Errrr.....I've been really enjoying the good bits.

All sorts of other games - Papyrus sims for instance - are like
this.....ICR2's only became driveable a month or so back!

Yeah - it's not perfect - it's easy to pick holes - but it's damn good!

Lets face it - no-one made you buy it in the first place, and no-one's
making you play it now!

ENJOY it!!! (for what it is!)

Cheers!

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* RM 1.3 U0414 * I always use tasteful words - I may have to eat them.....

by **Mark Rober** » Mon, 23 Sep 1996 04:00:00

>>Subject: Re: GP2 to rain weather
>>Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 01:18:30 +1100
>>just of a wet race i don't think so, the wet race menu options are in
>>gp2 they just didn't have time but they will do it and they have to do a
>>patch and 96 update but all this will come so everybody stop arguing
>>about whats not in it and play it its the best f1 sim game in the world
>What a ***! They didn't have time. BULLSHIT! THEY not us set the criteria for
>the game. I remember the release STATING weather changes, voice overs,
>realistic game play. Now don't tell me they did not have enough time. If they
>could not deliver, then they should have said so from the start.

So you`ve never said you could do something, believing that you could
and then found out later that your original estimation of your own
ability was wrong then?

Is somebody forcing you to download a patch/buy a new version? Have
you been threatened that if you don`t get it *** things will happen
to you? I don`t think so. You have a choice if you buy any upgrades.
If this was the thinking then it is hardly smart, pretty stupid
actually. If a company gets a rep. for supplying sub-standard
products why will people ever go back to them in the future?

1)Yup, unrealistic. But this is not a bug, it is a programmers
choice.
2)They should have been in and it is a shame that they aren`t.
3)I`m not entirely sure what you mean by this but the way my car
handles is governed by my controls and my set up, and there is a lot I
can do to alter it.
4)See the response to 1)
5)There are some graphics bugs but I`m yet to hear of a programmer who
can make a piece of software run perfectly on every single P.C.
6)You see there`s this little man called Bernie Ecclestone who sold
Microprose the rights to the 94 season, not the 96 one. If Microprose
use 96 cars, colours, names etc they get sued from here to kingdom
come.

<snip>

>Ashraf Ghebranious

As an extra note, to the best of my knowledge there is no official
line from GC or Microprose about the existence of a patch. Once again
those who know aren`t talking and those that are talking probably
don`t know.

Mark
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by **Jaggerna** » Mon, 23 Sep 1996 04:00:00

>4) If you run into a wall at full speed, there is a good chance you will avoid
>any damage to the car!

This can be altered now by using a utility available at
http://cervino.vol.it/GP2/gp2utils.htm/. It's only a 6k file.
--
Jagg
Vancouver, Canada
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by **Andre Breme** » Tue, 24 Sep 1996 04:00:00

> > just of a wet race i don't think so, the wet race menu options are in
> > gp2 they just didn't have time but they will do it

> From where do you know that ? Facts please, not rumours.

How about that: take a look at gp2.exe with a binary viewer and search for
"weather".

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Andre Bremer

by **Ashraf Ghebranio** » Wed, 25 Sep 1996 04:00:00

>Subject: Re: GP2 to rain weather
>Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 18:57:32 GMT

>writes:

>>>Subject: Re: GP2 to rain weather
>>>Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 01:18:30 +1100
>>>just of a wet race i don't think so, the wet race menu options are in
>>>gp2 they just didn't have time but they will do it and they have to do a
>>>patch and 96 update but all this will come so everybody stop arguing
>>>about whats not in it and play it its the best f1 sim game in the world
>>What a ***! They didn't have time. BULLSHIT! THEY not us set the criteria for
>>the game. I remember the release STATING weather changes, voice overs,
>>realistic game play. Now don't tell me they did not have enough time. If they
>>could not deliver, then they should have said so from the start.
>So you`ve never said you could do something, believing that you could
>and then found out later that your original estimation of your own
>ability was wrong then?

Yes I have. And have asked for extensions as well! And then produced a decent
output based on the problem at hand.

So the question I have is, when did the F1GP2 team realise that weather was
not avialiable and why was there no offical statement prior to release in
regards to what was left in and what was left out? BTW I did get the erratae
in the box mentioning that weather was not implemented. Problem here is, to
read this, I had to open the box. And to open the box, I had to open it. And
to open it, I had to pay someone money.

Microprose delayed the release of the game not once, not twice, but three
times and over a 8-10 month period. Okay so there is no rain. But why so many
bugs? Didn't the testers drive any of the cars? Or did they ASSUME these would
be fixed in the release version?

Incorrect here Mark. I payed money for a product that I was told had been held
back so as to make the game as complete and as bug free as possible. I ask
you.. do you think the game is bug free?

Because, the people buying games is getting bigger all the time! More home
computers being sold etc to people who believe that what is on the outside of
the box has a reflection of what is in the box. Further, Microprose does not
care! In two, three years, a whole bunch of 16 year olds will herald a whole
new generation of people to rip off! Individually, we have no say. As a class
action, we can sue the pants off them!

- Show quoted text -

This was in regards to the way the car spins in a preset fashion.

Agreed, but the game had been delayed by months. And if you believe that
Microprose have no intention of a F1GP3, then think again! And I wonder if
this will have the 1994 players, or the carsets for currently drivers which
they recently negotiated the rights for?

>>There are others
><snip>
>>Ashraf Ghebranious

>As an extra note, to the best of my knowledge there is no official
>line from GC or Microprose about the existence of a patch. Once again
>those who know aren`t talking and those that are talking probably
>don`t know.

I never said there would be. This is more akin to the Mechwarrior game where
the 'patch' for a networable version was to buy the new version. I expect to
paying for any fixes to this game. Like I am not already!

>Mark
>_________________________________

>"..every lap I think `Oh bollocks!
>This is dreadful..`" Damon Hill
>__________________________________

Every lap I think 'Oh Damon!'