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F1RC patch status statement from Ubisoft UK

Iain Mackenzi

F1RC patch status statement from Ubisoft UK

by Iain Mackenzi » Wed, 20 Jun 2001 03:55:25

What is incorrect?
I (and others) have had the info from Ubi TS as posted originally in this
post for some time now.
Don't know what you mean I'm afraid.
Iain



> > No, I think it's more a case of most of ras that should put it in their
pipe
> > and smoke it for doubting that there is going to be a patch at all!
This
> > info has been available from Ubi support for a while now anyway.
> > Iain

> Incorrect.  It's been stated for a while now that they were "awaiting
> FIA approval".  Some folks bought the corporate propaganda, others
> didn't.  Although it does seem the nay-sayers to the patch were off on a
> bit of a tangent.

> --

> Fester

Iain Mackenzi

F1RC patch status statement from Ubisoft UK

by Iain Mackenzi » Wed, 20 Jun 2001 03:57:21

I won't be - unless he changes his attitude completely!
Iain
Scalawa

F1RC patch status statement from Ubisoft UK

by Scalawa » Wed, 20 Jun 2001 04:52:51

On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 19:55:25 +0100, "Iain Mackenzie"


>What is incorrect?
>I (and others) have had the info from Ubi TS as posted originally in this
>post for some time now.
>Don't know what you mean I'm afraid.
>Iain

Then why didn't you or DGF post it here for the rest of us?
Simon Brow

F1RC patch status statement from Ubisoft UK

by Simon Brow » Wed, 20 Jun 2001 05:07:54

That's a short sighted attitude.  Look at Mika Hakkinen's first season in
F1, he couldn't get past the first corner without causing a shunt, and now
he's a double world champion.  It took Ralf  70 races to get his first win.
JPM will inevitably calm down as he gets older and more mature.  At the
moment he's just a typical young Colombian driver, hot-headed and excitable.

His talent is beyond doubt, rookie CART champion, Indy 500 winner, and but
for a backmarker he would have won only his second ever GP.


David G Fishe

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by David G Fishe » Wed, 20 Jun 2001 05:21:13

A 20 year old Jenson Button didn't seem to have the same kind of troubles as
Montoya is having .

19 year old Raikkonen is doing very well this year compared to his more
experienced teammate.

Montoya has a huge advantage over the other drivers mentioned (Zanardi,
Hakkinen, Raikkonen, Button) in that he has a car that can not only compete
with the Ferrari and McLaren, but sometimes be the best on the grid as in
Montreal.

David G Fisher


Uncle Feste

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by Uncle Feste » Wed, 20 Jun 2001 05:41:09


> What is incorrect?
> I (and others) have had the info from Ubi TS as posted originally in this
> post for some time now.
> Don't know what you mean I'm afraid.
> Iain

Afraid?  Don't know what you're talking about there.  <shrug>

--

Fester




> > > No, I think it's more a case of most of ras that should put it in their
> pipe
> > > and smoke it for doubting that there is going to be a patch at all!
> This
> > > info has been available from Ubi support for a while now anyway.
> > > Iain

> > Incorrect.  It's been stated for a while now that they were "awaiting
> > FIA approval".  Some folks bought the corporate propaganda, others
> > didn't.  Although it does seem the nay-sayers to the patch were off on a
> > bit of a tangent.

JM

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by JM » Wed, 20 Jun 2001 06:19:06



Can't disagree with that really- Montoya has potential I think but he's not
there yet, and his temper needs, er, tempering ;o).
For the definition of a good rookie, look at Kimi Raikkonen- you don't see
him brawling in drivers briefings.

cheers
John

Simon Brow

F1RC patch status statement from Ubisoft UK

by Simon Brow » Wed, 20 Jun 2001 06:25:08

I answered your points, if you won't do me the same courtesy, the debate
becomes pointless.



David G Fishe

F1RC patch status statement from Ubisoft UK

by David G Fishe » Wed, 20 Jun 2001 08:11:54

I did answer your points by giving you examples of other, younger drivers
with less experience who are/have outperformed him and behave more maturely.

BTW, Montoya has not only been an ass with Vliieneuve, but his comments
about Schumacher were also immature.

David G Fisher


> I answered your points, if you won't do me the same courtesy, the debate
> becomes pointless.



> > A 20 year old Jenson Button didn't seem to have the same kind of
troubles
> as
> > Montoya is having .

> > 19 year old Raikkonen is doing very well this year compared to his more
> > experienced teammate.

> > Montoya has a huge advantage over the other drivers mentioned (Zanardi,
> > Hakkinen, Raikkonen, Button) in that he has a car that can not only
> compete
> > with the Ferrari and McLaren, but sometimes be the best on the grid as
in
> > Montreal.

> > David G Fisher

Simon Brow

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by Simon Brow » Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:12:19

What about Michael Schumachers comments about David Coulthard trying to kill
him.  You think that was mature?

None of those drivers you mention have out-performed JPM, given that he had
a race win snatched away by a dumb backmarker in only his 2nd race.  None of
those other names can match that potential.

And like I said, Mika Hakkinen was a disaster in his first year in F1, and
he's now a top driver and double world champion.



Iain Mackenzi

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by Iain Mackenzi » Wed, 20 Jun 2001 15:22:57

Given the circumstances in that Spa GP, I think I can understand Schumi's
outburst!
Iain


> What about Michael Schumachers comments about David Coulthard trying to
kill
> him.  You think that was mature?

> None of those drivers you mention have out-performed JPM, given that he
had
> a race win snatched away by a dumb backmarker in only his 2nd race.  None
of
> those other names can match that potential.

> And like I said, Mika Hakkinen was a disaster in his first year in F1, and
> he's now a top driver and double world champion.



> > I did answer your points by giving you examples of other, younger
drivers
> > with less experience who are/have outperformed him and behave more
> maturely.

> > BTW, Montoya has not only been an ass with Vliieneuve, but his comments
> > about Schumacher were also immature.

> > David G Fisher

Iain Mackenzi

F1RC patch status statement from Ubisoft UK

by Iain Mackenzi » Wed, 20 Jun 2001 15:26:54

You're right to an extent, but see previous comments about Button,
Raikkonen, etc.  Also, winning your***GP isn't just about talent, it'
about the car your sitting in more than anything else. This year is the
first year that Ralf has been in a truly competitive car - the same one that
JPM keeps crashing!
Iain


> That's a short sighted attitude.  Look at Mika Hakkinen's first season in
> F1, he couldn't get past the first corner without causing a shunt, and now
> he's a double world champion.  It took Ralf  70 races to get his first
win.
> JPM will inevitably calm down as he gets older and more mature.  At the
> moment he's just a typical young Colombian driver, hot-headed and
excitable.

> His talent is beyond doubt, rookie CART champion, Indy 500 winner, and but
> for a backmarker he would have won only his second ever GP.



> > I won't be - unless he changes his attitude completely!
> > Iain

> > > I'd be surprised if JPM had only won two races by the time he reached
> his
> > > 75th GP.

Simon Brow

F1RC patch status statement from Ubisoft UK

by Simon Brow » Wed, 20 Jun 2001 19:52:24

A sane reasonable man would find the facts before making such an acusation.
It's only Michaels paranoid egocentric mind that could believe that DC took
him out deliberately.  McLaren even went to the trouble of proving to
Michael afterwards that DC had been running at that same pace for lap after
lap (even the same speed at that particular part of the track), yet we heard
no apology from Schumacher.  And thanks to this DC now gets booed and jeered
by Ferrari fans for no reason.

Schumacher should have showed some decency and set the record straight.
Instead he even suggested recently that 'maybe the spa crash was deilberate
afterall' when DC made a dumb overtaking move, which forced them both wide.

Anyone who watches a lot of F1 and has seen a lot of interviews with DC
should know he is comfortably the most honest driver in F1.  He's honest to
the point that it even costs him points and wins, like letting Hakkinen
through in Melbourne, which was totally unnecessary.

No matter how many races MS wins, and how many championships, no matter how
brilliant a driver he is, I'll only remember him for his arrogance and his
lack of sportsmanship.


Simon Brow

F1RC patch status statement from Ubisoft UK

by Simon Brow » Wed, 20 Jun 2001 19:56:05

Well, I'm not saying JPM is a definite future world champion, just that it's
too early to say he won't be a future world champion.


Iain Mackenzi

F1RC patch status statement from Ubisoft UK

by Iain Mackenzi » Thu, 21 Jun 2001 03:02:28

Well, I disagree.  MS is the best driver around, and to be that you need
some arrogance.
I don't think MS was suggesting that DC took him out deliberately, it's just
that slowing down (despite what McClaren said) in those conditions was very
dangerous, and MS's outburst was quite understandable under the
circumstances.
Iain


> A sane reasonable man would find the facts before making such an
acusation.
> It's only Michaels paranoid egocentric mind that could believe that DC
took
> him out deliberately.  McLaren even went to the trouble of proving to
> Michael afterwards that DC had been running at that same pace for lap
after
> lap (even the same speed at that particular part of the track), yet we
heard
> no apology from Schumacher.  And thanks to this DC now gets booed and
jeered
> by Ferrari fans for no reason.

> Schumacher should have showed some decency and set the record straight.
> Instead he even suggested recently that 'maybe the spa crash was
deilberate
> afterall' when DC made a dumb overtaking move, which forced them both
wide.

> Anyone who watches a lot of F1 and has seen a lot of interviews with DC
> should know he is comfortably the most honest driver in F1.  He's honest
to
> the point that it even costs him points and wins, like letting Hakkinen
> through in Melbourne, which was totally unnecessary.

> No matter how many races MS wins, and how many championships, no matter
how
> brilliant a driver he is, I'll only remember him for his arrogance and his
> lack of sportsmanship.



> > Given the circumstances in that Spa GP, I think I can understand
Schumi's
> > outburst!
> > Iain


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