rec.autos.simulators

Hi folks,

just read an interesting article in which Tony Stewart accuses NASCAR of
race-fixing by throwing needless cautions because of "dirty track"
conditions under suspicious circumstances. The article also mentions
that some drivers take some styrofoam pieces onboard and chuck them out
of the car in order to cause yellows during an opportune moment for them
during the race.

Is this true? I would think that such actions would be caught be one of
the countless cameras during a race, but I wonder if others here have
heard of this "practise", too?

cheers, uwe

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:
: Hi folks,
:
: just read an interesting article in which Tony Stewart accuses NASCAR of
: race-fixing by throwing needless cautions because of "dirty track"
: conditions under suspicious circumstances. The article also mentions
: that some drivers take some styrofoam pieces onboard and chuck them out
: of the car in order to cause yellows during an opportune moment for them
: during the race.
:
: Is this true? I would think that such actions would be caught be one of
: the countless cameras during a race, but I wonder if others here have
: heard of this "practise", too?

Common practice for years. NASCAR likes cautions.  Lots of action on pit
road, and it tightens up the field.

What can you say, some people believe in UFO's.
Now that I said that, we all have been in competitive sports, we all have
quote "lost that game, because of the Umpire/referee/judge."  (again
bullshit).

However people with Class, don't cry "not fair" where everyone has to deal
with the EXACT same circumstances.  Debri cautions started for safety sake.
I have little doubt, and would be willing to bet people find ways to
_atttempt_ to "use" this system to thier favor if possible to get away with
it.  It is however, like believing that the lights always turn red only
against you when you are in a hurry, IMHO.

Tony is just like Gordon stated, Fricken Tony (need to change his nickname
to Flameboy, instead of smoke)  is the Rosey O'Donel of Nascar, and often is
utterly clueless about the situations around him.  THis is proven week after
week where he ***es loud that some rookie ran out of talent (pot meet
kettle) then has to eat his words, and then runs people into the wall in a
rage, over this same type of scenario time and time again.

FWIW, He was taken to task by nascar, by the officials not just management
this last weekend for his antics/remarks.
Sure, NFL has one advantage, instant replays but again they can only change
calls if there is clear and undeniable proof that the call was wrong.  Works
well in a play/rest/play scenario but probably not so well in lap after lap
scenario?

Uwe Schrkamp enlightened us with:

I once saw a replay during a race that clearly showed Robby Gordon
throwing a piece of foam padding from a roll bar out the window to
cause a caution.  It was blatant.  I don't follow NASCAR, but I never
did hear of any sanction against him for doing that.

Pat Dotson
UltraForce Simulators
http://www.ultraforcesim.com

I once saw a replay during a race that clearly showed Robby Gordon
throwing a piece of foam padding from a roll bar out the window to
cause a caution.  It was blatant.  I don't follow NASCAR, but I never
did hear of any sanction against him for doing that.

They fined him.....
http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/story/6126072

I have to laugh as your statements seem to indicate that no-one in
motorsports cheats.  Did you just get here?  Name one single race series
that has "NOT"  caught someone-sometime cheating.  All the way to F1, if it
isn't Honda with a "oops... where that extra tank come from", then it's
Schumacher blocking the last 3 minutes of qually in Monaco.

as for UFO's;    Nascar  _EQUALS_  Show-business-racing

It's not racing, it's money-making, it's SPONSOR time, it's far from
"racing"

MHO
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2 *** it, I don't have time to read and explain it all to you, line by
line, go back to watching sponge bob and ugioh.

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Exactly.  And anyone who thinks it's "real racing"  (pdotson)  might as well
believe in ufo's too

;)

-Larry

What did I say that could prompt your response?  I pointed out an
instance of blatant caution-causing.  I made no judgment on that
incident or on NASCAR in general.

pdotson

It was not your posting that I was responding too.

Again, sorry, please disregard.

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Thats why the nascar boys have gone back to the dirt tracks. They want to
race.

We have had three very good asphalt tracks in our area dug up and put back
to dirt in the last 3-4yrs. I lived in north central NC in the late 50s-65
and there were many Nascar sanctioned dirt tracks that the drivers would
race between the Sunday races. Back then the racers had two cars on an open
over/under hauler, one dirt and one paved track car. The dirt wins even
counted as Grand National (now Nextel Cup) wins and points were awarded in
many cases (depending on Bill France Sr's whim). The Sportsman division (now
Busch Grand National Series) was mostly dirt racing back then. Dirt racing
is truly the grass roots of oval racing. Every Friday night we have five
dirt tracks within an hour of where I live now that have about every type of
cars you want to see. A couple of them are sanctioned Nascar tracks and one
USAC and a couple of 'outlaw' (independent) tracks. I highly recommend going
to your local dirt track and support these guys/gals. C. Edwards, J.
McMurray, K. Schrader, R. Wallace and M. Martin all raced in this area over
the years. Good stuff.

Ed