rec.autos.simulators

K, since i don't have my Nascar 2 yet, I'd like to ask a few questions
to the ones that do have it.

TEN.  Since when did Papyrus sign a deal with TEN...and is this what
we've been waiting for, the so called NRL?  If so, what if we aren't a
member of TEN?  Do we have to pay a monthly charge to race with our
buddies?  And about lag time...I thought Papyrus would setup servers all
across the country dedicated to N2.  Maybe I was wrong.  Maybe I'm just
confused.

Also, did sierra give us Printed Doc's, or do we have to suffer through
windows help files, and track guides?

Thanks.

Fray

On Wed, 04 Dec 1996 21:14:31 -0800, Dan Loyola

The TEN software is included on the NASCAR 2 CD, along with a flyer in
the box with a new membership offer.

There are 2 rate plans, you can either pay on a per hour basis, with 5
free hours a month, or a flat rate for unlimited time.

TEN has local numbers for access in case the latency is to bad when
using your own ISP.  There is a $ .95 per hour charge for this
service, but I'd much rather give this to TEN then 6x that amount to
the phone company.

Nope, they've included another thick book of docs, including track
walkthroughs, setups, and driving styles by Bobby Labonte.

If you have any more questions about TEN, just drop by their Web site
at:  www.ten.net.

Hope this helped.

Matt Myers

"Expressing individualism is just plain wrong!"

                            -- Crow T. Robot --

I am leary about how this is gonna work over the I-Net but assume Papy
has tested it and there is not a problem with latency, hope your ISP has
a fast server I read in a previous post that some guys ran it over KALI
and the latency was good though, we'll have to wait and see,

Mick in Tampa
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What a ripoff.  30 dollars for unlimited time?  Then I hear there's the
5 hour a month deal.  Who want's to watch the clock the whole time you
are racing...or if you are running a full race.  

What about the YOUNGER kids, like the ones below 18, maybe we don't have
a job, and no place to get the 30 bucks....like our parents will let us
shell out 30 bucks to play a silly game on the pc.  Well, it ain't
silly, but, hey, what do parents know.  j/k.

Fray

Don't know when they signed, but the flier in the box states that the only
way to drive in the NRL is to do so on TEN.  Yes, roughly $30 a mounth
extra.  Lag time?  Well, the last time I was on TEN, during the early
months, the lag time bit severly.  So, I guess I will just have to stick to
racing with a few people on Kali ( for free ).  No way the wife is gonna
lety me pop for an additional $30 bucks a month to play this thing.  Can't
honestly blame her either.

Now, before you rich / well-to-do / or kids of the above / start flaming
me, note that I didn't say it was excessive, to high, or whatever.  Just
that I can't afford to toss out another $30 a month to play this thing.
Looks like NRL will be just like the real Nascar...  Outta my price range.

Yes, printed docs.  The book looks a lot like the one for Nascar 1.  Same
shape, size....  REads the same too.

Robert

I hope that Sierra will get smart and hook into other companies like Mplayer
or set up their own free network like Blizzard and Westwood is doing.

If anyone has tried this on Kali let me know what kind of latency your
getting.

John

Uhh, yeah, theoretically, but guess how many people are below 18 playing
on TEN.  They just get their parents to sign the stuff for them...like
any ***ager would.

<whole buncha snippin'>

        My ISP has already done this, The network spans the country and latency
to any POP that is on the ATM network is very small. Ping times from my shell
account to other Primenet machines are in the area of 40-60ms.
        Did some traceroutes into the TEN network; it is one jump through
bbplanet(very fast network also)from my ISP. Traceroutes were very fast till I
got into the TEN network. If they have already got their new fast system up and
running they maybe should hire some engineers. Some of the jumps *inside* TEN
were over a second latency....should make for some interesting racing.
        If they haven't got the ATM up and running then I can sure see why they
want to.
        Just some of my findings,
        Ralph<Ralphw on Hawaii>Williams

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Which is just a long way of saying that if you've played TEN in the past,
it doesn't necessarily reflect the network that NRO will be using.

Dave (davids) Sparks
Late Night League
http://www.sequoia-dev.com/Hawaii/latenite.html

Maybe it's just me, but is anyone else disappointed in the fact the the NRL
is going to be run over the internet???  The internet gets sloooooower and
slower every day.....When I race on Hawaii over a direct modem connection,
I have latency problems and watch as others have latency problems as their
cars streak endlessly down the track....A league cannot be run this way, no
matter how much TEN puts into it, it cannot be as DIRECT or FAST as a
dial-up type service.  This was my impression of what the NRL was going to
be....a dial-up service, like Hawaii is run....with direct links to their
servers without the internet hassle of HOPPING around from server to
server....

    The only solution I can think of, my friends, is we, NRL'ers, will all
have to get at least 56k I-net connections, and hope that TEN can hold
between a 19.2-28.8 stream while we are racing.
It is hard work maintaining a GOOD constant data stream on the internet
these days, having to jump from server to server.  LATENCY TIMES WILL BE
THROUGH THE ROOF!!!

  BTW, in theory, when you call someone and connect modems over the phone
line at say 28.8, that connection will essentially maintain a 28.8
connection....that is if you don't have line noise problems, conflicting
modems, etc. <-------->  On the other hand, when you run over the internet,
as many of you know, a 28.8 connection means between 28.8 and down to 0.1k
of data throughput due to the recent HEAVY traffic on the internet.....

  THIS IS DEFINATELY SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT!!!!!

    Josh Walsh  (sirglock on $$$Hawaii$$$)

  P.S.  Can't get Nascar2 here!!!!  It sold out everywhere on the first day
of release!!!!

My nane is Bill Sheets i live in Indy can you tell me if ten will have the nascar
racing leage system for people who dont have windows 95  my wife works for a collage
and is over D.P dept and says windows 95 has a lot of bugs on it so i dont know if i
want to buy it and waste my money hope they have it for dos or win 31 thanks Bill
Sheets

Even more to add to this... what about the promise to us beta testers of
Hawaii that we would get compensation for hours spent with time on new
service.