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force feedback dilemmas

baldric

force feedback dilemmas

by baldric » Sat, 26 Dec 1998 04:00:00

As I read the reviews of force feedback steering wheels,the ACTlabs
generally wins by a small margin over the logitech.Since I have the
opportunity to buy both wheels for allmost the same price I was
wondering :does the ACTlabs win because it should cost less and gives
allmost the same or is it better regardless of the price?
2)Why is the usb connector so important to release a new cartridge and
the editors are really looking forward for it.(the logitech allready has
the usb connector)
3)In a review there was  written that the ACTlabs force doesn`t have
separate axis,but with the future software updates this should be
availlable.So does everybody know if it has this feature?
4)what about the drivers.Can ACTlabs keep the pace of Logitech?And the
cartridges,do they really offer the futureproof compatibility when the
FF standards will change?
Since I cant buy online I`m stuck with this option:ACT or Logitech for
the same price in my stores.
Any suggestions would be really appreciated.
Galle

force feedback dilemmas

by Galle » Sat, 26 Dec 1998 04:00:00


ActLabs>generally wins by a small margin over the Logitech.  Since I have
the
I've tried both, and I decided on the Logitech.  The wheel itself is
perfect, as far as design, comfort, and shifting ability.  The Force RS's
wheel is too thick, and the shifters are worthless, although it does have
seven buttons vs. the Logitech's four.
The Force RS also wins in clamp design  I was able to clamp the RS to my
desk and still pull my keyboard shelf out since the clamp only protrude
about and inch and a half.  With the Logitech I had to move my keyboard
shelf over 8", but it's not that big a deal; my desk is very large.  I was
then able to permanently mount the Logitech, although it sits off to one
side.
As far as drivers, etc. go, I would give the edge to the Logitech.  They
recently released a patch to their profiling software which has automatic
calibration.  When you boot your system, and the wheel is plugged in (the
wall wart is in the MIDDLE of the power cord, BTW, not at the end!), the
wheel turns fully to the left, and then to the right.  As of now you can
only assign either separate or combined axis' globally.  In a new patch that
should be out in a few weeks you will be able to do it on a game-by-game
basis.  ACTLabs is literally run by just a handful of people, so it's hard
to say what their support will be like.  They've already released one patch.
I ordered my Force RS from the website.  It took 10 days to arrive by UPS.
I think they sent it by donkey!  Shipping was only $10 for a 23 pound box.
Return shipping was $17, however, so if you can't buy the RS from a retail
store, keep this in mind.
As far as FF goes, I would give a slight edge to the RS, but the Logitech
has improved with the recent patch.
Pedals?  This is really the only downfall of the Logitech.  Although they
are fine, they could've been designed a little better.  The pedals
themselves are plastic, and do not pivot.  Also, they depress too easily.
For $2 and 20 minutes of your time, however, you can replace the springs
with tighter ones.  The Force RS has excellent pedals  They actually pivot
like they do in  a real automobile.  They didn't depress smoothly though.
Another
big deciding factor was USB support.  I have a DexDrive hooked into my one
and only serial port.  The RS has a serial connector.  The Logitech has an
included serial to USB adapter.  (Don't these thing cost like $70 if
purchased separately?).
The Logitech also has the game Motorhead, along with F1RS.  I've owned
Motorhead for the Playstation for a couple of weeks and have enjoyed it.
The PC version is awesome!  The sense of speed is unmatched; this is what
NFS3 should have had.  The track design is very good and control is tight.
FF is top notch.  This game won't be released in the U.S. for a couple of
months, so this was definitely an added bonus.
Which
one to get?  It's hard to say.  I prefer the Logitech because of the wheel
design, USB hookup, Motorhead, and good tech support.

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                     when things were so uncomplicated?
                     I wish I could go back there again,
                     and everything could be the same".

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alan

force feedback dilemmas

by alan » Sat, 26 Dec 1998 04:00:00

This USB support thing confuses me a bit.

Did I read somewhere that the USB controllers means no more of that
horrible spiking, with the drivers arms and steering wheel twitching
constantly? Coz I understand the PDPI card thingy cures the driver arm
shakes  - so do I understand from what you've written above that the
Logitech wheel cures the problem in the same way as the PDPI card?

What about the ACTLabs wheel? Presumably that still has the "shakes"?

Gary Silverma

force feedback dilemmas

by Gary Silverma » Sat, 26 Dec 1998 04:00:00

I have the more expensive Microsoft Force Feedback wheel and I love it. But
I don't know why they did not want to give USB support too. Perhaps they
fell so far behind that they would not have been able to get the wheel out
by the holidays.

Iain Mackenzi

force feedback dilemmas

by Iain Mackenzi » Sat, 26 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Why does nobody mention the superb SC&T Ultimate Per4mer? A ff wheel that
was first on the market, has very solid construction, and one that I have
been using since April.
Iain

>I have the more expensive Microsoft Force Feedback wheel and I love it. But
>I don't know why they did not want to give USB support too. Perhaps they
>fell so far behind that they would not have been able to get the wheel out
>by the holidays.

Larr

force feedback dilemmas

by Larr » Wed, 13 Jan 1999 04:00:00

One reason that is, admittedly, probably totally unfair...

It looked like a Playskool toy to me...

Like I said, maybe not fair, but the first impresstion really turned me
off.

-Larry


> Why does nobody mention the superb SC&T Ultimate Per4mer? A ff wheel that
> was first on the market, has very solid construction, and one that I have
> been using since April.
> Iain



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