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Wow! GP3 really DOES suck! (Really long...make sure you have something to eat or drink)

Goy Larse

Wow! GP3 really DOES suck! (Really long...make sure you have something to eat or drink)

by Goy Larse » Fri, 04 Aug 2000 04:00:00


> One more note... A SIM has real life (or at least modeled) race tracks,
> whereas an "Arcade" racer has "fantasy" tracks to race on.

> I would still consider the NFS series, and Viper Racing "Arcade" racers,
> even though they have "real life" cars, and some sense of tweakability built
> into them.

> Some call Toca2, Colin McRae Rally, Rally Masters, STCC, and others a
> cross-breed of Sim/Arcade, as even though they are based on real life racing
> series, have real-to-life cars and tracks in them, they don't have enough
> car tweaking/setup options, so the hard core "sim" crowd around wouldn't
> consider them a "sim"

Oh, I consider STCC a SIM, it's just not a good one :-), but I agree
though, we have a few games that run in the "sim light" category, like
Toca, nice to know there's something for everyone out there....

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Jan Verschuere

Wow! GP3 really DOES suck! (Really long...make sure you have something to eat or drink)

by Jan Verschuere » Fri, 04 Aug 2000 04:00:00

No... but there are hardly any brake markers anyway, so it doens't matter.
<g>

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Jo Hels

Wow! GP3 really DOES suck! (Really long...make sure you have something to eat or drink)

by Jo Hels » Fri, 04 Aug 2000 04:00:00



Well, it's certainly true that user patches have improved many aspects
of sims like GP2 and F12000, and now also GP3.

But you have to stay a bit reasonable as well... GP2 and GP3 AI is
very good in its own. The only real problem is that they are too easy.
(no experience with GP3 AI yet) But 90% of the users will find them
more than challenging enough, so it's just that people around HERE are
too good. A product like GP3EDIT will allow you to tune the
performance until it perfectly fits your personal skill. Yes, a
company could integrate such a tool into the sim. But they don't  :-)

Then textures and such. One of the aspects that make it easier to make
cars and scenery better looking and more realistic is that companies
are bound by anti-tobacco laws etc. Some of the cars in GP3 look
pretty lame just because of this. Also you have to keep in mind that
you are able to apply the 3rd party patches of YOUR choice. There are
probably many around which you find just a bad as the originals. It's
just that you have a *choice* now   :-)  Others will still like the
originals more, or choose other patches.

That said: I patch them, too   :-)

JoH

Douglas Elliso

Wow! GP3 really DOES suck! (Really long...make sure you have something to eat or drink)

by Douglas Elliso » Fri, 04 Aug 2000 04:00:00

Have you tried running over the red markers down the last straight before
the stadium section at Hockenheim in F12000 !!! (They go ke-doing ke-doing
ke-doing and wobble back and forth - VERY funny!!!)


BriGu

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by BriGu » Fri, 04 Aug 2000 04:00:00


says...
They're even funnier to look at if you have the "helicopter" view set up
for your game!  They go *way* up in the air, and watching thirty or so
cones do that is a blast!

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Ronald Stoeh

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by Ronald Stoeh » Fri, 04 Aug 2000 04:00:00


> One more note... A SIM has real life (or at least modeled) race tracks,
> whereas an "Arcade" racer has "fantasy" tracks to race on.

But that would make F12k an arcade racer, and I wouldn't go
that far... ;)

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Douglas Elliso

Wow! GP3 really DOES suck! (Really long...make sure you have something to eat or drink)

by Douglas Elliso » Fri, 04 Aug 2000 04:00:00

Christ - puts it into persepective doesn't it.

Some people complainint about the validity of the physics engine in GP3 -
the particular neuences of taking the Masta Kink at 180mph and so on.

Wibbely road markers and bits that fall off cars keep me ammused!

Doug



> says...
> > Have you tried running over the red markers down the last straight
before
> > the stadium section at Hockenheim in F12000 !!! (They go ke-doing
ke-doing
> > ke-doing and wobble back and forth - VERY funny!!!)

> They're even funnier to look at if you have the "helicopter" view set up
> for your game!  They go *way* up in the air, and watching thirty or so
> cones do that is a blast!

> --



Eldre

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by Eldre » Fri, 04 Aug 2000 04:00:00





>> Hahaha...I've taken out some of those signs as well.  Maybe that's a good
>way
>> to***up opponents in online racing - take out the brake markers.
>After
>> you've picked a substitute, of course... :)

>> Eldred

>I've never noticed, but can you destroy the scenery in GPL?

Nope - TRUST me, I've hit a BUNCH of it, killed several spectators, etc...

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Jo

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by Jo » Sat, 05 Aug 2000 04:00:00


>Nice write up, but what's not mentioned is the quality, or lack of it, of
>online play. After experiencing VROC and league racing with GPL, any driving
>sim that doesn't have well developed capabilities is destined for a short stay
>on the hard drive. Like the second most important thing in life besides sim
>racing: once you've experienced doing it with other people, playing with
>yourself just isn't as much fun.

The last sentence must be the best post of the week... :-)

Joe

Uwe Schuerka

Wow! GP3 really DOES suck! (Really long...make sure you have something to eat or drink)

by Uwe Schuerka » Sat, 05 Aug 2000 04:00:00


>Also, for $50, I would hope to get a finished product from Crammond and
>Hasbro, not one that virtually DEMANDS that you wait for amateur
>(albeit talented) 3rd-party support to make it right.  In comparison,

Amateur support? I think you got your "amateurs" and "professionals"
reversed here. Geoff shot himself in the foot big time by putting his
name under this piece of ***which he claimed they'd been working on
for over four years.

The real professionals are the countless hackers reverse-engineering
the data formats, adapting the existiting utilities in their free time
and out of a true passion for simracing in order to fix some of the
flaws that Mr. Crammond obviously didn't. GP3, as released, is nothing
short of a desaster to Crammonds reputation.

Uwe

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Thorsten Ruete

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by Thorsten Ruete » Sat, 05 Aug 2000 04:00:00

I wholeheartedly agree Uwe. This is such a disappointing piece
of crap! Not even worth to discuss if it's good or bad...

Even the new features seem worthless, e.g. now you can lock
individual wheels - unfortunately it doesn't feel any different from
locking them all!! Ha!
etc. etc.

-Thorsten Rueter




> >Also, for $50, I would hope to get a finished product from Crammond and
> >Hasbro, not one that virtually DEMANDS that you wait for amateur
> >(albeit talented) 3rd-party support to make it right.  In comparison,

> Amateur support? I think you got your "amateurs" and "professionals"
> reversed here. Geoff shot himself in the foot big time by putting his
> name under this piece of ***which he claimed they'd been working on
> for over four years.

> The real professionals are the countless hackers reverse-engineering
> the data formats, adapting the existiting utilities in their free time
> and out of a true passion for simracing in order to fix some of the
> flaws that Mr. Crammond obviously didn't. GP3, as released, is nothing
> short of a desaster to Crammonds reputation.

> Uwe

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Stephen Ferguso

Wow! GP3 really DOES suck! (Really long...make sure you have something to eat or drink)

by Stephen Ferguso » Tue, 08 Aug 2000 04:00:00


No one said we weren't allowed to have a little... quiet now so the GPL
folks don't hear it... FUN.

Stephen

> Doug




> > says...
> > > Have you tried running over the red markers down the last straight
> before
> > > the stadium section at Hockenheim in F12000 !!! (They go ke-doing
> ke-doing
> > > ke-doing and wobble back and forth - VERY funny!!!)

> > They're even funnier to look at if you have the "helicopter" view set up
> > for your game!  They go *way* up in the air, and watching thirty or so
> > cones do that is a blast!

> > --



Ashley McConnel

Wow! GP3 really DOES suck! (Really long...make sure you have something to eat or drink)

by Ashley McConnel » Tue, 08 Aug 2000 04:00:00


| > Christ - puts it into persepective doesn't it.
| >
| > Some people complainint about the validity of the physics engine in
GP3 -
| > the particular neuences of taking the Masta Kink at 180mph and so on.
| >
| > Wibbely road markers and bits that fall off cars keep me ammused!
| >
|
| No one said we weren't allowed to have a little... quiet now so the GPL
| folks don't hear it... FUN.
|
| Stephen

Oi - I heard that!  I dont understand you guys - GPL is the most fun......4
Wheel Drift makes me smile :) - see !

Ash

Jan Verschuere

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by Jan Verschuere » Tue, 08 Aug 2000 04:00:00


Jan.
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