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> > Chris.
> > The Brabham has a marked straight line speed advantage over all other F3
> > cars. It is for this reason that there is an unwritten law amongst the
> > regular F3 online racers that the car should not be used. Indeed, many
of
> > the online leagues have banned it.

> Why?

> > maybe it is because of their light weight which would be an advantage with
> > less power.

> All cars have the same power in F2 and F3. Brabham has less drag =
> higher topspeed, particularly on fast tracks like Monza and Spa.
> Time to move on to F2 for you!

> --
> Bye,
> Leo

> I am not sure about this, Leo...

> Try testing drag of all the car makes, and see if you can find a difference.

> Find a long straight, go at 130mph, depress the clutch and measure the time it
> takes before you the car has retarded to 80 mph... Do this with the same setup
> for all cars...

> I am almost 100% sure that you won't find any distinct difference. At least not
> any difference to cause the performance difference between the Brab and the
> other cars...

> I have been wondering about a difference in torque curves, but I haven't reached
> any conclusions...

> ---Asgeir---

> > > maybe it is because of their light weight which would be an advantage with
> > > less power.

> > All cars have the same power in F2 and F3. Brabham has less drag =
> > higher topspeed, particularly on fast tracks like Monza and Spa.
> > Time to move on to F2 for you!

> > --
> > Bye,
> > Leo

> > Chris.
> > The Brabham has a marked straight line speed advantage over all other F3
> > cars. It is for this reason that there is an unwritten law amongst the
> > regular F3 online racers that the car should not be used. Indeed, many
of
> > the online leagues have banned it.

> Why?

> > I am not sure about this, Leo...

> > Try testing drag of all the car makes, and see if you can find a
difference.

> > Find a long straight, go at 130mph, depress the clutch and measure the
time it
> > takes before you the car has retarded to 80 mph... Do this with the same
setup
> > for all cars...

> > I am almost 100% sure that you won't find any distinct difference. At
least not
> > any difference to cause the performance difference between the Brab and
the
> > other cars...

> > I have been wondering about a difference in torque curves, but I haven't
reached
> > any conclusions...

> > ---Asgeir---

> > > > maybe it is because of their light weight which would be an
advantage with
> > > > less power.

> > > All cars have the same power in F2 and F3. Brabham has less drag =
> > > higher topspeed, particularly on fast tracks like Monza and Spa.
> > > Time to move on to F2 for you!

> > > --
> > > Bye,
> > > Leo

> Asgier knows about my thought from an F3 News group.  At one time we
> were trying to find a torque curve for the F3's but were unable to
> figure out how (last I remember).  My opinion is the same as his with
> the drag.

> Set each car up exactly like the rest. Then do what he suggests and
> you'll find that there is no measurable differences.  Do the same with
> the F1's and again, you'll find no measurable differences.  Do the same,
> but measure the differences from 0-60 mph, and again from 60 to 120 mph
> in acceleration!  You'll see a big difference between each marquee.
> This makes me believe that either the engines have a different HP or a
> different Torque curve.  I've done this test but with two cars and never
> wrote down the differences.  I'll do it again and write the differences
> in Time and distance.

> Nunini had a Torque graph for each Marquee for the F1 cars.  With our
> experience, These torque curves do correspond to the F3 top speeds and
> acceleration.  So I can only assume that the F3's in GPL *are* F1's but
> with rpm limiters.  The same with the F2's.

> If anyone knows of a test that we can do to get the torque curves and
> HP ratings, I'd like to know.  This would help everyone immensely.
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> > > Chris.
> > > The Brabham has a marked straight line speed advantage over all
other F3
> > > cars. It is for this reason that there is an unwritten law
amongst the
> > > regular F3 online racers that the car should not be used. Indeed,
many
> of
> > > the online leagues have banned it.

> > Why?

> The F2 Repco is nearly as fast as the F1 Cooper.  :)

> FWIW, in F2/F3 the Repco is fastest, folllowed by the Eagle, Lotus &
> Ferrari, which are all pretty much on a par with each other, the Eagle
> has slightly more top end power than the Lotus & Ferrari, but the
> Ferrari is the best handler and most stable, followed closely by the
> Lotus.
> Top end and acceleration performance of the Lotus & Ferrari is
> practically identical, so go with the one you feel most comfortable
> with.
> The Coventry, Murasama then BRM are next in that order as far as
> performance stakes in F2/F3.

> Cheers,
> Ron

> > For the same reason that you wouldn't try racing a Ferrari F40 with a
> Ford
> > I guess!

> > MS

> > > > Chris.
> > > > The Brabham has a marked straight line speed advantage over all
> other F3
> > > > cars. It is for this reason that there is an unwritten law
> amongst the
> > > > regular F3 online racers that the car should not be used. Indeed,
> many
> > of
> > > > the online leagues have banned it.

> > > Why?

> Do you REALLY realise what you're saying?

> Flashback to 1967.  Colin Chapman, John Cooper, Dan Gurney, Enzo himself,
> Sochiro Honda and Tony Rudd surround Jack Brabham and Dennis Hulme in the
> Brabham pit at the Kyalami circuit.  Ron Tauranac and Phil Irving just
> happen to be in attendance for the first GP of the season, looking forward
> to seeing the car in action.

> Chapman clears his throat and says "Errmmm, Jack old chap. Got a minute?
> Good!  Well, it's just that you can't enter the Championship this year
> because the Brabham is too fast.  It was too fast last year and we let that
> go but twice in a row is a bit much! The other fellows and I have decided
> that it's just not on that your two cars should have an advantage.  Okay?

> Jack clears his throat, looks at Ron Tauranac and winks, clears his throat
> and says "Colin.....piss off!!"

> --
> Regards,
> Bruce Kennewell,
> Canberra, Australia.
> ---------------------------

> MS