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RASF1 Malaysia

Dave Henri

RASF1 Malaysia

by Dave Henri » Tue, 23 Sep 2003 01:52:44

"Kasper Kowalski" <  
  nope the password is the same...ras   but were you using a bonestock
install of F1 C or did you have the RH2003 mod loaded?  You can have both,
but F1rst2 must know where to look for the proper files.
I got a flashing phone jack icon, so I assume my connection went south.  
After about a minute I got removed from the game and couldn't rejoin.
two for two.
*($)%*$#
dave henrie
Eldre

RASF1 Malaysia

by Eldre » Tue, 23 Sep 2003 02:34:00

I'm really getting tired of this...
Of course since I have to try to get rid of the server car, I lost about 10
seconds on the start.  It looked like a race between Larry and me(we each kept
making small mistakes.  After a while I'd pulled away from Larry, then got
NAILED by the leader as he lapped me.  Even though I gave him plenty of room.
He didn't seem to get any damage, but it destroyed the back of my car.  I tried
to limp back to the pits(spinning 4 or 5 times in the process).  When I
realized that I'd missed the pit entrance, I just said "*** it", and quit.
How the hell can you run over a car like that and keep going?  I have to ask
myself why I keep doing this...?
Grrr....

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Haqsa

RASF1 Malaysia

by Haqsa » Tue, 23 Sep 2003 03:09:00

Did something happen to the server?  I got disconnected at around lap 20.
When I got back into F1RST2 it didn't look like it was up anymore.  Also
seemed like I was seeing a lot of warping.

I did pretty poorly this time.  I think I'm going to have to stop using
separate qual and race configs, I really have a hard time going back and
forth between them.  I think I qualified third but messed up on the very
first lap of the race, putting me down two spots.  Then I lost a wing
somehow and I just about quit at that point.  But no, I thought I would try
and hang in there in case anybody else DNFed, but then the server crashed or
something, I don't know what happened.  Not fun.

Really though a lot of this comes down to preparation (assuming you stay
connected :).  I ran over 500 laps before we raced at Hungary, and probably
200 or so before Australia.  This time I only got in about 100, and it
showed, I just had no consistency.

Also got thrown off by my controller config.  I just discovered this morning
that my RAS player file had the axis centering messed up and I had the old
50% dead spot throttle bug as a result.  That explains my problems with
throttle control at the previous two races.  No idea why only the RAS file
was messed up and the others were fine.  But that also meant that I now had
to relearn the exit from each corner this morning during practice, because
having a more responsive throttle totally threw me off at first.

And to think I could have stayed down at Mid-Ohio, where I was yesterday,
and had a lot more fun watching the SCCA Run-Offs.  Oh well, I can't make it
for the USGP next week but I'll probably be back for whatever is after that.


Ian

RASF1 Malaysia

by Ian » Tue, 23 Sep 2003 03:15:53


> I'm really getting tired of this...
> Of course since I have to try to get rid of the server car, I lost
> about 10 seconds on the start.  It looked like a race between Larry
> and me(we each kept making small mistakes.  After a while I'd pulled
> away from Larry, then got NAILED by the leader as he lapped me.  Even
> though I gave him plenty of room. He didn't seem to get any damage,
> but it destroyed the back of my car.

Eldred, I've just looked  at the replay, that was me, sorry.
Im my defence, there is no contact from the client replay, however I should
have tried to leave a bit more room for you.

 I tried to limp back to the

There was no contact from my view, I wouldn't knowingly take someone out of
a race.
I checked my mirrors on the next straight and you were still on track behind
me..

Once again, sorry for wrecking your race, it was certainly unintentional
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Haqsa

RASF1 Malaysia

by Haqsa » Tue, 23 Sep 2003 03:24:05

Warp issue.  I really think something was just plain wrong with the server
connection today.


Phaso

RASF1 Malaysia

by Phaso » Tue, 23 Sep 2003 03:44:49


Well I just had a look at my replay and the Renault did not move an inch,
stayed right on the line and plowed on through like you weren't there - and
I think you weren't, from his perspective.  His car did not take any damage
although he hit the back of you pretty hard.  Gotta be a connection issue.

Turn 1 & 2 went surprisingly well, even though the Jag tried to pass after
our gentleman's agreement.  I had pole and led the first lap with the
Renault right behind me - turns out he was on a 1-stopper.  I spun on lap 2
trying to keep in front of him but only lost 5 seconds, went to P2 and the
car was OK.  The Renault pitted halfway at which point I re-took the lead
and won by 20 seconds.

Great race from my perspecitive, the lappers did an outstanding job keeping
out of the way.  A very tough track to not make a mistake on - get a wheel
on the other side of any of the curbs and it's pretty much game over, I got
a gift.

    -Phasor

Haqsa

RASF1 Malaysia

by Haqsa » Tue, 23 Sep 2003 04:27:40

Indeed.  I watched you during qual's, I couldn't believe how much curb you
were using.  Are you doing something special with setup or aids?  I got ate
up by the curbs today.


Larry Lindstro

RASF1 Malaysia

by Larry Lindstro » Tue, 23 Sep 2003 04:20:40


> I'm really getting tired of this...
> Of course since I have to try to get rid of the server car, I lost about 10
> seconds on the start.  It looked like a race between Larry and me(we each kept
> making small mistakes.  After a while I'd pulled away from Larry, then got
> NAILED by the leader as he lapped me.  Even though I gave him plenty of room.
> He didn't seem to get any damage, but it destroyed the back of my car.  I tried
> to limp back to the pits(spinning 4 or 5 times in the process).  When I
> realized that I'd missed the pit entrance, I just said "*** it", and quit.

Sorry to hear that Eldred:  

   Yea, that's disappointing.  I spun, but I felt we had
a race.  I think I was about 10 seconds behind you after
my last excursion.  Ian went by me without incident at
the hairpin in the middle of the straight, or between the
straits.  

   From my replay, it looks like Ian came upon you on a
long medium speed left where you had little opportunity
to get out of his way.  It looks like Ian needed to back
off a little until you could let him by.  But with ping
and lag, as he says, he saw a different reality.  

   Are you asking why you host races with invulnerability
turned off?  I keep asking myself that too.  

   Thanks for hosting this race.  

                                                   Larry

Eldre

RASF1 Malaysia

by Eldre » Tue, 23 Sep 2003 07:15:59


writes:

I think I'm just cursed - I haven't had a good race YET...
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Phaso

RASF1 Malaysia

by Phaso » Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:27:35


Well I did have stability control on.  It was a stock The Notorious setup, I
have no idea if he's done anything special to it, I'm not a setup guy.  F1C
rewards you for keeping tires on the curbs and severely punishes you for
going over - throw in the extra-unforgiving curbs and the *** decreasing
radius cresting turns, and it's the toughest track on the calendar IMO.  I
think I just got real lucky in my second qual attempt, I'd never beaten 1:36
before ever.  My subsequent attempts were junk.

    -Phasor

Eldre

RASF1 Malaysia

by Eldre » Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:24:30



>   Are you asking why you host races with invulnerability
>turned off?  I keep asking myself that too.  

Running with damage tends to cut down on the 'playstation' mentality.  It makes
people drive a little better, knowing that if they***up, they're out.  With
this touchy netcode I may have to re-think that, though...

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Jan Verschuere

RASF1 Malaysia

by Jan Verschuere » Tue, 23 Sep 2003 20:18:26

The hallmark of a warp incident right there: if he didn't suffer any damage,
the most likely explanation is there wasn't any accident at his end. F1C,
while better at it than any other game in the series, is still not as good
online as any of the Papy products.

Because you *have* to race. Anything else just doesn't quite cut it. ;-)

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Larry Lindstro

RASF1 Malaysia

by Larry Lindstro » Tue, 23 Sep 2003 21:55:58




> > I'm really getting tired of this...

     < Snip >

     < Snip >

Hi Phasor:

   "Lappers"?  That's me!  

   Thank you Phasor, I take that as a
complement.  

   The only positive quality I claimed when I
started to seriously discuss participation in
RASF1 earlier this week was that I could get
out of peoples way under the blue flag.  

   I can't help but wonder what kind of race
it would have been if nobody was using
stability assistance.  

   What are your lap times with it and without
it?  Spa, A1, and now Malaysia, would be good
reference tracks if you have those numbers.  
I see 1:48 at Spa where my best is 2:02, and
1:05 at A1 where my best is 1:12, in races I
host with only traction and ABS allowed.  

                                         Larry

Haqsa

RASF1 Malaysia

by Haqsa » Tue, 23 Sep 2003 22:56:50

A very fair question.  I watched the replay and saw some people doing things
that would have been impossible without stability control.  Not going to get
on anybody's case about it because, after all, we are allowing stability
control.  But I think it is clear that using stability control does allow
you to achieve much faster laps than equally skilled people who aren't using
it, and I think we should consider banning it.


Haqsa

RASF1 Malaysia

by Haqsa » Tue, 23 Sep 2003 23:02:19

Okay, time to cry "foul!"  I just watched the replay and from my perspective
he, er, penetrated your rear end by a good two feet.  This is BS.  Replays
and warp have nothing to do with this, all physics are supposed to be
resolved on the server, and on the server either the accident happened or it
didn't.  If you got damaged then the accident clearly happened.  So there
are only two possibilities here, either a) the guy who nailed you had
invulnerability on or b) F1C has a very strange damage model.  Regarding b)
I knocked a wing off just by dragging it on the grass, and I have seen yours
fall off for no apparent reason in a previous race, so I don't believe the
damage model is at fault here.  I believe the guy who hit you must have had
invulnerability on and somehow F1RST didn't catch it.



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