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Has GPL raised the standard too high?

Torgeir Fos

Has GPL raised the standard too high?

by Torgeir Fos » Fri, 29 Jan 1999 04:00:00


> Hi all,

> In my opinion, if GPL's physics receive so much praise, it all comes
> from the fact that the reactions of the car are believable.  I mean,
> there aren't many things happening that can't be explained by true
> life physics.

What about the fact that during oversteer, turning in even more corrects
it?
(I'll admit it's the only flaw I know in GPL)
--
Torgeir Foss
Oslo, Norway
Zonk

Has GPL raised the standard too high?

by Zonk » Fri, 29 Jan 1999 04:00:00


We're talking about F1 here.

I recall an article from the MArch/Leyton House of 1990 which said:

"if the engine was run in neutral with no rev limit for 1 second it would
reach 100,000 rpm's slightly before the rods started flying out the sides of
the engine".

Z.

Anssi Lehtin

Has GPL raised the standard too high?

by Anssi Lehtin » Fri, 29 Jan 1999 04:00:00



> As to the physics, I dunno. Most people seem to confuse car physics
> with car behaviour these days and are astouned that a simulated
> touring car doesn't feel like the good old 67 GPL cigars. Well, in
> that case you'll probably become dissapointed by any of the upcoming
> releases.

I don't think that's the case. Gran Turismo still feels "real" even after
GPL. TOCA 2, just like TOCA, has touring cars with _no_ suspension, and
feeling like plastic shells over something I can't quite imagine. I have
no idea why the original was praised. Well, I have no idea why anybody
would actually want to drive front-wheel drive cars.

--
Anssi Lehtinen

John Walla

Has GPL raised the standard too high?

by John Walla » Fri, 29 Jan 1999 04:00:00



>Or how come the motor's revs go from 0 to 13000 instantly
>when I give it full throttle in MGPRS2.

That's as it should be. Modern F1 engines spool up incredibly quickly,
as standing outside the pits will testify. The mechanics test the
engine with a small "scalextric" style joystick which they use to
raise and lower the revs to warm the engine up, test it or whatever.
The speed of response is incredible.

Cheers!
John

Richard G Cleg

Has GPL raised the standard too high?

by Richard G Cleg » Fri, 29 Jan 1999 04:00:00

: Hi all,

: In my opinion, if GPL's physics receive so much praise, it all comes
: from the fact that the reactions of the car are believable.  I mean,
: there aren't many things happening that can't be explained by true
: life physics.  As an example, I still can't figure out how I can give
: full throttle to my car in ICR2 and still be unable to get a decent
: wheelspin.  Or how come the motor's revs go from 0 to 13000 instantly
: when I give it full throttle in MGPRS2.  Or how about that strange
: wheelspin in N2...  These are only a few points that remind you
: everytime that you're not racing a real car.  I didn't find much
: things to complain about in GPL.  It just _feels_ right.  That's what
: I look for in a sim.

  There are some things that don't feel right in GPL.  For example, when
I spin off (which I do EVERY lap) the car winds up by the side of the
road, completely stationary, without the clutch in, in first with no
engine noise.  It's as if the engine has died totally.  It feels a bit
strange to me.  (But then, I've only seen these cars race, never
driven one or really seen on parked in first).  Seems a bit unlikely
that can car can do this without stalling though.  

--
Richard G. Clegg     Only the mind is waving
Dept. of Mathematics (Network Control group) Uni. of York.

www: http://manor.york.ac.uk/top.html

Richard G Cleg

Has GPL raised the standard too high?

by Richard G Cleg » Fri, 29 Jan 1999 04:00:00

: On Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:08:56 +0000, Vince Fisher

:>Tel what level are u playing GPL on. the damage model is superb, u only
:>have to touch some things very lightly to have your suspension slightly
:>damaged making it very hard or even impossible to drive, and the wheels
:>come off very easily when u hit something.

: Of course, that's what *usually* happens - although one might argue
: that it's rather your tyre than the suspension that gives up the
: ghost... i have yet to see a broken suspension.

  It's certainly possible.  A friend of mine was driving it round "The
Ring" for a laugh rather than serious (crashing at every other corner)
and managed to knock the rear so that the entire rear suspension just
gave up and the back end of the car just squatted on the floor like...
well, have you ever seen a dog with impacted ***glands?  The damn
thing just kept on, rubbing its rear on the course and sending up a huge
shower of sparks.

: Anyways, you really
: wanna tell me that you never had  one of those unbelievable (read
: impossible) stunts every circus would be proud of? The ones where you
: land with all 4 wheels & chassis intact when you should actually
: smashed the car into pieces? Never been stuck in a hedge all intact
: but a flat tyre after making contact at about 150mph?
: btw, I'm talking about realistic setting here.

  Actually, on realistic, I don't think I ever got a flat tyre.  How
do you achieve this?

  Also, sometimes, I manage to rub the car along the armaco at about
70mph with nothing worse than a bit of oversteer as I leave contact
with it.

--
Richard G. Clegg     Only the mind is waving
Dept. of Mathematics (Network Control group) Uni. of York.

www: http://www.racesimcentral.net/

Jack

Has GPL raised the standard too high?

by Jack » Fri, 29 Jan 1999 04:00:00

LOL. Before you insult large numbers of people with statements such as

I would suggest that you, at minimum, learn the language. The word is
"imbecile", and its a NOUN. The ADJECTIVE which you could have used to
insult dozens of people, like a half-wit, is "imbecilic."

You and your opinions might command a little more attention and respect if
tact was a consideration.

Jonathon Gree

Has GPL raised the standard too high?

by Jonathon Gree » Fri, 29 Jan 1999 04:00:00


>     I get annoyed with the AI crashing into me too, on occasion.  Usually,
> however, a quick look at the replay reveals the true culprit!  Guess who.  T

In my case at Monza last night Scarfiotti three times in a row... :-(

--
Jonathon "JayGee" Green

"Death to all fanatics!"

Mike Buckle

Has GPL raised the standard too high?

by Mike Buckle » Fri, 29 Jan 1999 04:00:00

Also after a 180 spin when the car is rolling backwards why can't you
floor the throttle in first to spin it round??
--
Mike Buckley    

WWW:    www.toastyhamster.freeserve.co.uk
Ronald Stoeh

Has GPL raised the standard too high?

by Ronald Stoeh » Fri, 29 Jan 1999 04:00:00


snip
>   It's certainly possible.  A friend of mine was driving it round "The
> Ring" for a laugh rather than serious (crashing at every other corner)
> and managed to knock the rear so that the entire rear suspension just
> gave up and the back end of the car just squatted on the floor like...
> well, have you ever seen a dog with impacted ***glands?  The damn
> thing just kept on, rubbing its rear on the course and sending up a huge
> shower of sparks.

I believe the rubbing its rear, as my cat does that from time to time
(although on the carpet, the bastard), but "sending up sparks"?
What kind of breed is that? ;^)

l8er
ronny

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schwab

Has GPL raised the standard too high?

by schwab » Fri, 29 Jan 1999 04:00:00

Yes Antoine,
 I agree. It FEELS right! Every hard-core racing simmer than has not
experienced this yet (whether they be ***ed to N2 or MSRGP) owe it to
themselves to experience this. I like the Brabham because off throttle
and under braking, it feels like a car I've raced for a few years. It's
that good.

-Dave


> Hi all,

> In my opinion, if GPL's physics receive so much praise, it all comes
> from the fact that the reactions of the car are believable.  I mean,
> there aren't many things happening that can't be explained by true
> life physics.  As an example, I still can't figure out how I can give
> full throttle to my car in ICR2 and still be unable to get a decent
> wheelspin.  Or how come the motor's revs go from 0 to 13000 instantly
> when I give it full throttle in MGPRS2.  Or how about that strange
> wheelspin in N2...  These are only a few points that remind you
> everytime that you're not racing a real car.  I didn't find much
> things to complain about in GPL.  It just _feels_ right.  That's what
> I look for in a sim.

> I'm not saying it's perfect tho, it still has its limitations, but
> they are less obvious IMHO than in any other sims available at present
> time.  I bet you there's more to come in future releases.  I wish the
> next surprise would come from another software developer than Papy...
> We know they're good, but we need some competition to keep them on
> their toes!

> A. Renault

Toni Lassi

Has GPL raised the standard too high?

by Toni Lassi » Fri, 29 Jan 1999 04:00:00

Maybe the physics model wasn't the greatest, but fighting with the AI
cars was truly enjoyable. I remember several times dicing with the
Renaults trying to cut to the inside and get them to go wide and into
the sand. Ah, if I would just get my wheel to work properly...

Did I mention I'm crazy about touring/stock cars?

-
"If the meaning of life was printed in a book, someone
 would use it to keep the window open."

Te

Has GPL raised the standard too high?

by Te » Fri, 29 Jan 1999 04:00:00



Considering the current wheather conditions I'm glad I don't have to
drive a rearwheel driven car...;)

--Tel

Hangfi

Has GPL raised the standard too high?

by Hangfi » Fri, 29 Jan 1999 04:00:00

Is your last name perhaps " Mehoff" ?


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