>The copilot tells me pilot the 2 next corners and the pilot just does what
>he's told, sometimes (at least once a year) one team ***s up in the notes
>and that makes for a nice film sequence, something like (left 3 on crest)
>when it's a right 5...
Never seen that. Some people amaze me. I can't ski with my eyes open
let alone blindfolded.
Yep, always. Rallying is the oldest type of motorsport. (Well a lot of
people claim the racing on public roads back in the beginning of the 20th
century was road racing, but it's more like rallying :)) As i twas on
public roads, navvie's were needed. Then, when stages were closed, the
rallies would be a week or so and cover about 1000, don't think you could
remember where to go for 1000 miles.
Anyway, there are some female co-drivers, especially in the US.
Thanks,
Alex
Thanks,
Alex
Thanks,
Alex
> > I was watching WRC on Speedvision. This is the first time I
> > actually sat down to watch the whole thing. Most of the time I don't
> > pay attention to what the co-driver is saying. What does "3-left,
> > 2-flat, 5-straight" etc. mean. What is he trying to say to the
> > driver. Why do rally drivers get a co-driver to help him with the
> > directions?
> The "1-left" etc is to inform the driver what the next corner's like
> (actually, it's usually the next corner but two given the speed these
> folks re going!). As mentioned elsewhere, a "1" corner is just a kink,
> pretty much flat-out, while a "5" is a much steeper bend, with "square"
> and "hairpin" also.
> This, while the most popular system these days, isn't the only
> "numeric" system in use - there's also a version where the numbers
> refer to the gear of the corner (so a "1" here would be a very *slow*
> corner - let's hope the driver knows which system is being used!).
> There's also what's called the "descriptive" system of pacenotes, which
> is less popular these days than it used to be, but is still employed by
> a couple of the top drivers - Juha Kankkunen and Alister McRae. This
> uses a complicated set of codes for various corners - "easy right", "K
> left", "absolute right into long open left" and so on. Numbers between
> indicate distances betweeen corners - "easy right, 40, opens into long
> flat right, 200" and so on.
> As to why the co-driver is there in the first place, the name itself
> ("co-driver" rather than just "navigator") gives you a clue. Modern
> rallying is essentially a series of sprints, but up until the 1980s it
> was much more of an endurance event, with longer events (the RAC Rally
> lasted 5 days for years), far longer distances on the open road between
> stages and very little sleep for the crews. So the co-driver would
> drive the car on the road sections while the driver got some sleep.
> Also, remember that some rallies still don't allow pacenotes (I believe
> this is the case in most rallies in Canada, and even the RAC Rally
> didn't allow them until 1990), so the co-driver has to "read the road"
> with the aid of a map and "road book" rather than "just" yell out the
> notes.
> On top of all this, a second pair of hands comes in very handy after an
> accident or breakdown!
> --
> "After all, a mere thousand yards... such a harmless little knoll,
> really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.
> The GPL Scrapyard: bits 'n' bobs at http://www.hillclimbfan.f2s.com
Thanks,
Alex
> They're called pace notes - the driver and co-driver generate the
> notes during pre-rally reconnaisance(sp?) of the rally stages.
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> > Anyway, there are some female co-drivers, especially in the US.
> there's even one in WRC. guess which pop-star for ten bonus points.
> --
> Gunnar
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Quote from Nicky Grist:
"I use a numbers system. 'One' for first gear, going up to 'Six'
for the highest and fastest gear, adding a 'Left' and 'Right' for
the direction of the corner.
Between second and fifth gear there are four variations for each
gear. There's a 'Plus' before the number for a fast corner, just the
number itself for a normal corner, a 'Minus' if the corner is
slightly slower, and 'Slow', which is slowest of all.
In addition to this are 'Opens', which means the car can drift wide
on the exit or that it opens into another corner. And 'Tightens',
which means either to watch it on the exit or that it tightens into
something slower. Any other dangers are marked with 'Care',
'Caution' and 'Double Caution'.
For example if I say: 'Four left Opens into a Five left Plus', it
means a straight fourth-gear left-hand corner opens up into slightly
faster fifth-gear left-hand corner"
Cheers
Tony
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I don't think so - certainly not on special stages. I'm not sure if it
ever still happens on road sections - I can't see why not, provided the
co has the right licence.
<snip>
Usually - it's certainly more "rally" than "race". The Dakar is the
most famous example of what's often known as a "raid". These are very
long distance events with extremely long legs (several hundred miles a
day). The most recent running was from December 28th 2001 to January
13th 2002, and covered over 9,000 kilometres!
All manner of vehicles compete - cars, motorbiks and trucks. One
particularly interesting aspect of the Dakar is that *all* the vehicles
are considered to be competitors, so although they don't do the special
stages themselves, backup cars and so on do get race numbers, time
cards etc.
The official website is well worth a look, although its translation
from the French is not all that good:
http://www.dakar.com/2002/presentationus/
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really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.
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> they do? I was sure they were hand-outs. no, really.
--
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really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.
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/petern
P.S. According to legend, Tina Turner was on tour in Germany once and
some joker printed t-shirts for the crew that read "Tiny Turner and
His Band".
>> > Anyway, there are some female co-drivers, especially in the US.
>> there's even one in WRC. guess which pop-star for ten bonus points.
>> --
>> Gunnar
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>> silence is FOO!
