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Scott B. Huste

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by Scott B. Huste » Sat, 29 Sep 2001 22:52:38

LOL - Yeah but "it's coming" but be interpreted as "coming soon" and thus
suffer from the WSC attacks ;)

I can't speak for Mr. Noonan, but I feel pretty safe in saying that if it
were an 'easy' task to do, he would have loved to have done the conversions
and released them already.

Scott
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>   I thought that was a SPOT-On prediction  :)
> dave henrie


> > Please be careful in saying "it's coming"  ;)     The timeframe is most
> > definitely a wide one.

John Pancoas

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by John Pancoas » Sat, 29 Sep 2001 22:47:50

  Only problem with the Heat stuff is the total lack of tracks.  Kind of
like running N4 cars modified to look like earlier cars.........on the
current Nascar tracks.
  Doesn't make for much immersion IMO.  Are some great mods though, no
doubt.  I'd like to see a CART sim too.

-John


> Trust me -- if it WAS an IRL sim, it would be so damn close to a CART
> sim tht you would fall all over yourself fawning over it.  Seems to me
> like THAT would be a good thing . . . better than yet another NASCAR
> sim if you're a CART fan, anyway.

> Thankfully, folks like Thomas Heineman and have been able to work
> TOGETHER on the IRL and CART efforts for IRL Heat -- if we were both
> as narrow-minded as you, Scott, then both IRL and CART fans wouldn't
> be benefitting as much from NASCAR Heat.

> Then again, I would guess that the slack-jawed Papy-philes haven't
> even noticed all the great mods coming out for Heat yet.  Their loss.

> Have fun with you big, cumbersome stock cars in N4, because you're
> going not to see anything but stock cars from Papy for a loooooooooong
> time.  Nothing against NASCAR, mind you, but a little variety is nice
> from time-to-time.

> :-/

> -- JB

> On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 16:51:13 GMT, "Scott B. Husted"

> >Could be far worse... it could be IRL.

> >Scott
> >PA-Scott
> >PowerSimsMag.com






> >> >> And of course the physics engine again IMO, hasn't been beat yet,
> >> >> as I'm sure you are aware, N4 is based on the GPL engine.

> >> >N4's physics engine is an evolution of GPL's, and to be fair -
> >> >beat's GPL's physics hands down.

> >> Still doesn't change the fact that it's NASCAR, though.

> >> :-(

> >> -- JB

Steve Blankenshi

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by Steve Blankenshi » Sun, 30 Sep 2001 00:19:17

Try DL'ing Aardvark Park and Donington, for starters (road courses converted from SCGT and GP 500).  And then try driving a Stocker
and a Champcar back to back on the same track.  HUGE difference, not like the same beast at all.  Thanks to the cooperation and help
of the good guys at MGI along with the efforts of a few people in the sim community like John Bodin, Thomas Heineman and others,
Heat is on the way to becoming something like the universal sim everyone professes to want, allowing different series, add-on tracks
and graphics, and a stable, cheat-protected online environment for a full field of competitors.  Not perfect, but a truly good
thing, IMHO.  Thanks to all involved.

Cheers,

Steve B.


>   Only problem with the Heat stuff is the total lack of tracks.  Kind of
> like running N4 cars modified to look like earlier cars.........on the
> current Nascar tracks.
>   Doesn't make for much immersion IMO.  Are some great mods though, no
> doubt.  I'd like to see a CART sim too.

> -John



> > Trust me -- if it WAS an IRL sim, it would be so damn close to a CART
> > sim tht you would fall all over yourself fawning over it.  Seems to me
> > like THAT would be a good thing . . . better than yet another NASCAR
> > sim if you're a CART fan, anyway.

> > Thankfully, folks like Thomas Heineman and have been able to work
> > TOGETHER on the IRL and CART efforts for IRL Heat -- if we were both
> > as narrow-minded as you, Scott, then both IRL and CART fans wouldn't
> > be benefitting as much from NASCAR Heat.

> > Then again, I would guess that the slack-jawed Papy-philes haven't
> > even noticed all the great mods coming out for Heat yet.  Their loss.

> > Have fun with you big, cumbersome stock cars in N4, because you're
> > going not to see anything but stock cars from Papy for a loooooooooong
> > time.  Nothing against NASCAR, mind you, but a little variety is nice
> > from time-to-time.

> > :-/

> > -- JB

> > On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 16:51:13 GMT, "Scott B. Husted"

> > >Could be far worse... it could be IRL.

> > >Scott
> > >PA-Scott
> > >PowerSimsMag.com






> > >> >> And of course the physics engine again IMO, hasn't been beat yet,
> > >> >> as I'm sure you are aware, N4 is based on the GPL engine.

> > >> >N4's physics engine is an evolution of GPL's, and to be fair -
> > >> >beat's GPL's physics hands down.

> > >> Still doesn't change the fact that it's NASCAR, though.

> > >> :-(

> > >> -- JB

John Bod

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by John Bod » Sun, 30 Sep 2001 00:20:16

Road Atlanta, Aardvark Park, and Donington have already been released,
and there are more conversions and original tracks in the works --
including Lausitzring (BOTH the oval AND the road course) as well as
Laguna Seca.

Have you tried the CART mod for NASCAR Heat:

http://cartheat.bhmotorsports.com/

There's also a CART mod for F1 2001 and F1 Championship Season 2001:

http://www.champweb.net/cart2x.htm

Good stuff!

;-)

-- JB

On Fri, 28 Sep 2001 07:47:50 -0600, "John Pancoast"


>  Only problem with the Heat stuff is the total lack of tracks.  Kind of
>like running N4 cars modified to look like earlier cars.........on the
>current Nascar tracks.
>  Doesn't make for much immersion IMO.  Are some great mods though, no
>doubt.  I'd like to see a CART sim too.

>-John



>> Trust me -- if it WAS an IRL sim, it would be so damn close to a CART
>> sim tht you would fall all over yourself fawning over it.  Seems to me
>> like THAT would be a good thing . . . better than yet another NASCAR
>> sim if you're a CART fan, anyway.

>> Thankfully, folks like Thomas Heineman and have been able to work
>> TOGETHER on the IRL and CART efforts for IRL Heat -- if we were both
>> as narrow-minded as you, Scott, then both IRL and CART fans wouldn't
>> be benefitting as much from NASCAR Heat.

>> Then again, I would guess that the slack-jawed Papy-philes haven't
>> even noticed all the great mods coming out for Heat yet.  Their loss.

>> Have fun with you big, cumbersome stock cars in N4, because you're
>> going not to see anything but stock cars from Papy for a loooooooooong
>> time.  Nothing against NASCAR, mind you, but a little variety is nice
>> from time-to-time.

>> :-/

>> -- JB

>> On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 16:51:13 GMT, "Scott B. Husted"

>> >Could be far worse... it could be IRL.

>> >Scott
>> >PA-Scott
>> >PowerSimsMag.com






>> >> >> And of course the physics engine again IMO, hasn't been beat yet,
>> >> >> as I'm sure you are aware, N4 is based on the GPL engine.

>> >> >N4's physics engine is an evolution of GPL's, and to be fair -
>> >> >beat's GPL's physics hands down.

>> >> Still doesn't change the fact that it's NASCAR, though.

>> >> :-(

>> >> -- JB

John Bod

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by John Bod » Sun, 30 Sep 2001 00:21:57

How can you fail to mention Test Drive 6?????

:-p

;-)

-- JB



>The most accurate physics can currently be found in SOS 1937, Le Mans
>24hrs,*** Johnsons V8 Challenge and NFS High Stakes ;)

>Rafe Mc


>>I loved GPL a couple years ago, but now I use a GForce and this sim is
>>somewhat dated.   What sims besides NASCAR 4 are realistic and have
>>good gameplay?

>>Thanks
>>Ron


Goy Larse

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by Goy Larse » Sun, 30 Sep 2001 00:56:36


> Perhaps if the powers that might be would disclose some of their file-format
> knowledge we might see some more tools and utilities for N4 - like we did
> for GPL.

Sure, no problem, far as I know you have the e-mail to the appropriate
guys at Papy :-)

Beers and cheers
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JM

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by JM » Sun, 30 Sep 2001 00:34:21


As a slack jawed papyphile in my defence Nascar Heat has never been, nor
ever will be, available for sale in Great Britain.

N4 was, if only for two months before vanishing completely :oD

cheers
John

John Pancoas

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by John Pancoas » Sun, 30 Sep 2001 01:46:25

  I haven't messed with Heat for awhile, but at the time, cheating was
rampant on IRF with it.  Has this changed too?

-John


converted from SCGT and GP 500).  And then try driving a Stocker
the same beast at all.  Thanks to the cooperation and help
community like John Bodin, Thomas Heineman and others,
professes to want, allowing different series, add-on tracks
field of competitors.  Not perfect, but a truly good

> thing, IMHO.  Thanks to all involved.

> Cheers,

> Steve B.




> >   Only problem with the Heat stuff is the total lack of tracks.  Kind of
> > like running N4 cars modified to look like earlier cars.........on the
> > current Nascar tracks.
> >   Doesn't make for much immersion IMO.  Are some great mods though, no
> > doubt.  I'd like to see a CART sim too.

> > -John



> > > Trust me -- if it WAS an IRL sim, it would be so damn close to a CART
> > > sim tht you would fall all over yourself fawning over it.  Seems to me
> > > like THAT would be a good thing . . . better than yet another NASCAR
> > > sim if you're a CART fan, anyway.

> > > Thankfully, folks like Thomas Heineman and have been able to work
> > > TOGETHER on the IRL and CART efforts for IRL Heat -- if we were both
> > > as narrow-minded as you, Scott, then both IRL and CART fans wouldn't
> > > be benefitting as much from NASCAR Heat.

> > > Then again, I would guess that the slack-jawed Papy-philes haven't
> > > even noticed all the great mods coming out for Heat yet.  Their loss.

> > > Have fun with you big, cumbersome stock cars in N4, because you're
> > > going not to see anything but stock cars from Papy for a loooooooooong
> > > time.  Nothing against NASCAR, mind you, but a little variety is nice
> > > from time-to-time.

> > > :-/

> > > -- JB

> > > On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 16:51:13 GMT, "Scott B. Husted"

> > > >Could be far worse... it could be IRL.

> > > >Scott
> > > >PA-Scott
> > > >PowerSimsMag.com



> > > >> On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 15:30:21 +0200, "Ed Solheim"


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> > > >> >> And of course the physics engine again IMO, hasn't been beat
yet,
> > > >> >> as I'm sure you are aware, N4 is based on the GPL engine.

> > > >> >N4's physics engine is an evolution of GPL's, and to be fair -
> > > >> >beat's GPL's physics hands down.

> > > >> Still doesn't change the fact that it's NASCAR, though.

> > > >> :-(

> > > >> -- JB

Steve Blankenshi

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by Steve Blankenshi » Sun, 30 Sep 2001 02:51:29

Last time I tried it, you couldn't join a Nascar race if you were running another version, i.e. CTS or CART, and vice versa.  Also,
IRF reports when anyone's using different data than the server.  I'm not sure of the full extent of cheat protection, but at least
the effort's being made.  I've had some quite enjoyable road course races with Heat, but try to avoid the ovals as they're too often
afflicted with the same problems as N4 races, from the sound of it - mainly the quality of the participants.  I'm primarily a GPL
devotee myself, but certainly applaud solid competitive efforts by developers like MGI who work with the simracing community.

Cheers,

Steve B.


>   I haven't messed with Heat for awhile, but at the time, cheating was
> rampant on IRF with it.  Has this changed too?

> -John

Johnso

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by Johnso » Sun, 30 Sep 2001 04:20:50

Nope, I think N4 beats it and is the current sim King. GPL is good but is a
little long in the tooth nowadays anyway thats IMO.

Thom j

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by Thom j » Sun, 30 Sep 2001 04:24:43

Yea right John! This is exactly what my X said in divorce court :(

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Dave Henri

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by Dave Henri » Sun, 30 Sep 2001 04:29:05

  I was having a terrible time even getting a recon lap at Road Atlanta with
the Cup cars.  Found out whatever the default setup was intended for was NOT
a road course.  Once I copied the Watkins Glen Advanced setup over, I could
at least get round the thing.  The sears Advanced setup had better gearing
but I had more problems making a clean lap with the sears setup.  WG at RA
with Sears gearing seems to be the best for me at this point.  The car seems
REALLY susecptible(sp?)  to small bumps on the roadway.  And that last drop
off before the pits is a real 'cross your fingers' cuz sometimes the car
will stay straight, other times it just will not.  (see a good racer always
blames the car! )  wait!  (I'm not one of those...)
uhmm 'the car was good, I just didn't get the most out of it
today..."{better?}
dave henrie

> Road Atlanta, Aardvark Park, and Donington have already been released,
> and there are more conversions and original tracks in the works --
> including Lausitzring (BOTH the oval AND the road course) as well as
> Laguna Seca.

> Have you tried the CART mod for NASCAR Heat:

> http://cartheat.bhmotorsports.com/

> There's also a CART mod for F1 2001 and F1 Championship Season 2001:

> http://www.champweb.net/cart2x.htm

> Good stuff!

> ;-)

> -- JB

> On Fri, 28 Sep 2001 07:47:50 -0600, "John Pancoast"

> >  Only problem with the Heat stuff is the total lack of tracks.  Kind of
> >like running N4 cars modified to look like earlier cars.........on the
> >current Nascar tracks.
> >  Doesn't make for much immersion IMO.  Are some great mods though, no
> >doubt.  I'd like to see a CART sim too.

> >-John



> >> Trust me -- if it WAS an IRL sim, it would be so damn close to a CART
> >> sim tht you would fall all over yourself fawning over it.  Seems to me
> >> like THAT would be a good thing . . . better than yet another NASCAR
> >> sim if you're a CART fan, anyway.

> >> Thankfully, folks like Thomas Heineman and have been able to work
> >> TOGETHER on the IRL and CART efforts for IRL Heat -- if we were both
> >> as narrow-minded as you, Scott, then both IRL and CART fans wouldn't
> >> be benefitting as much from NASCAR Heat.

> >> Then again, I would guess that the slack-jawed Papy-philes haven't
> >> even noticed all the great mods coming out for Heat yet.  Their loss.

> >> Have fun with you big, cumbersome stock cars in N4, because you're
> >> going not to see anything but stock cars from Papy for a loooooooooong
> >> time.  Nothing against NASCAR, mind you, but a little variety is nice
> >> from time-to-time.

> >> :-/

> >> -- JB

> >> On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 16:51:13 GMT, "Scott B. Husted"

> >> >Could be far worse... it could be IRL.

> >> >Scott
> >> >PA-Scott
> >> >PowerSimsMag.com



> >> >> On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 15:30:21 +0200, "Ed Solheim"


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> >> >> >> And of course the physics engine again IMO, hasn't been beat yet,
> >> >> >> as I'm sure you are aware, N4 is based on the GPL engine.

> >> >> >N4's physics engine is an evolution of GPL's, and to be fair -
> >> >> >beat's GPL's physics hands down.

> >> >> Still doesn't change the fact that it's NASCAR, though.

> >> >> :-(

> >> >> -- JB

Thom j

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by Thom j » Sun, 30 Sep 2001 04:30:05

Both are AOK! in my book :) Just think if GPL was programmed
exactly the way N4 is now with all the new goodies and all GPL's
track addons! Plus a GPL 2001,2,3 F1-Addon! YummmmmY! :)

| Nope, I think N4 beats it and is the current sim King. GPL is good but is
a
| little long in the tooth nowadays anyway thats IMO.

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John Bod

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by John Bod » Sun, 30 Sep 2001 04:59:25

Have you downloaded the rear camber fix for Road Atlanta yet, Dave?  I
think I posted the URL on the BHMS and High Gear forums . . . helps a
lot!

-- JB



>  I was having a terrible time even getting a recon lap at Road Atlanta with
>the Cup cars.  Found out whatever the default setup was intended for was NOT
>a road course.  Once I copied the Watkins Glen Advanced setup over, I could
>at least get round the thing.  The sears Advanced setup had better gearing
>but I had more problems making a clean lap with the sears setup.  WG at RA
>with Sears gearing seems to be the best for me at this point.  The car seems
>REALLY susecptible(sp?)  to small bumps on the roadway.  And that last drop
>off before the pits is a real 'cross your fingers' cuz sometimes the car
>will stay straight, other times it just will not.  (see a good racer always
>blames the car! )  wait!  (I'm not one of those...)
>uhmm 'the car was good, I just didn't get the most out of it
>today..."{better?}
>dave henrie


>> Road Atlanta, Aardvark Park, and Donington have already been released,
>> and there are more conversions and original tracks in the works --
>> including Lausitzring (BOTH the oval AND the road course) as well as
>> Laguna Seca.

>> Have you tried the CART mod for NASCAR Heat:

>> http://cartheat.bhmotorsports.com/

>> There's also a CART mod for F1 2001 and F1 Championship Season 2001:

>> http://www.champweb.net/cart2x.htm

>> Good stuff!

>> ;-)

>> -- JB

>> On Fri, 28 Sep 2001 07:47:50 -0600, "John Pancoast"

>> >  Only problem with the Heat stuff is the total lack of tracks.  Kind of
>> >like running N4 cars modified to look like earlier cars.........on the
>> >current Nascar tracks.
>> >  Doesn't make for much immersion IMO.  Are some great mods though, no
>> >doubt.  I'd like to see a CART sim too.

>> >-John



>> >> Trust me -- if it WAS an IRL sim, it would be so damn close to a CART
>> >> sim tht you would fall all over yourself fawning over it.  Seems to me
>> >> like THAT would be a good thing . . . better than yet another NASCAR
>> >> sim if you're a CART fan, anyway.

>> >> Thankfully, folks like Thomas Heineman and have been able to work
>> >> TOGETHER on the IRL and CART efforts for IRL Heat -- if we were both
>> >> as narrow-minded as you, Scott, then both IRL and CART fans wouldn't
>> >> be benefitting as much from NASCAR Heat.

>> >> Then again, I would guess that the slack-jawed Papy-philes haven't
>> >> even noticed all the great mods coming out for Heat yet.  Their loss.

>> >> Have fun with you big, cumbersome stock cars in N4, because you're
>> >> going not to see anything but stock cars from Papy for a loooooooooong
>> >> time.  Nothing against NASCAR, mind you, but a little variety is nice
>> >> from time-to-time.

>> >> :-/

>> >> -- JB

>> >> On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 16:51:13 GMT, "Scott B. Husted"

>> >> >Could be far worse... it could be IRL.

>> >> >Scott
>> >> >PA-Scott
>> >> >PowerSimsMag.com



>> >> >> On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 15:30:21 +0200, "Ed Solheim"



>> >> >> >> And of course the physics engine again IMO, hasn't been beat yet,
>> >> >> >> as I'm sure you are aware, N4 is based on the GPL engine.

>> >> >> >N4's physics engine is an evolution of GPL's, and to be fair -
>> >> >> >beat's GPL's physics hands down.

>> >> >> Still doesn't change the fact that it's NASCAR, though.

>> >> >> :-(

>> >> >> -- JB


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