rec.autos.simulators

by **Lutrel** » Fri, 10 Dec 1999 04:00:00

For sound card the hot setup is one that supports four speakers( 2 front
channels and 2 rear channels). I have the Sound Blaster Live Value and it sounds
great. I use Cambridge "Works" speakers; Four small 2" speakers and a Bass
speaker. They are small but sound like big speakers.
Lutrell

>As someone new to sims, I was wondering with all the hype about the
>new GeForce-based video cards, no one here seems to recommend them.
>When someone asks for a video card recommendation, it seems the V3000
>or 3500, or even 2000 is always the one to get the nod ...

>Why ???

>What about sound cards ??? What's the hot setup there ???

>Allan

by **pa..** » Sat, 11 Dec 1999 04:00:00

As someone new to sims, I was wondering with all the hype about the
new GeForce-based video cards, no one here seems to recommend them.
When someone asks for a video card recommendation, it seems the V3000
or 3500, or even 2000 is always the one to get the nod ...

Why ???

What about sound cards ??? What's the hot setup there ???

Allan

by **glen** » Sat, 11 Dec 1999 04:00:00

>When someone asks for a video card recommendation, it seems the V3000
>or 3500, or even 2000 is always the one to get the nod ...

>Why ???

It's because, around here, there's only one game that matters, and that's GPL.
And it's a glide game, or rendition. Which means you need a 3dfx card, or a
rendition.

The Geforce is a next generation TNT card. But you can use the unified ( glide
) drivers from Creative Labs ( I don't know if you specifically need a CL card,
but you're probably better off with one ) which according to some are getting
better all the time. So now you can have your cake and eat it too.

Me, I'm waiting for the DDR Geforce, double the memory bandwidth. I'll be
ready to buy toward the end of january and hopefully it'll be out around here
by then.

glen

by **David Ript** » Sat, 11 Dec 1999 04:00:00

>>When someone asks for a video card recommendation, it seems the V3000
>>or 3500, or even 2000 is always the one to get the nod ...

>>Why ???

>It's because, around here, there's only one game that matters, and that's GPL.
>And it's a glide game, or rendition. Which means you need a 3dfx card, or a
>rendition.

>The Geforce is a next generation TNT card. But you can use the unified ( glide
>) drivers from Creative Labs ( I don't know if you specifically need a CL card,
>but you're probably better off with one ) which according to some are getting
>better all the time. So now you can have your cake and eat it too.

Unified does not work with GPL. The GPL OpenGL patch works, but you have to
slow down the mirror refresh to get 36 fps.

They should be widely available by then. I'll wait until prices drop a bit
or I buy a game that's actually too slow on my TNT 1 / Voodoo 2 setup.

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by **(Raymond, ACT LABS** » Sun, 12 Dec 1999 04:00:00

Hello,
I don't play a GPL often, but I do play Rally Championship a ton. I
would highly recomment the GeForce cards unless of course Glide is
important to you. It is important to note that very recently, 3dfx
has made Glide open source.
Creative's Glide wrapper does not work that well. I have tried it on
a non-Creative card with little success.
I am all for forward looking companies like NVIDA (and ACT LABS).
NVIDA has put T&L on board despite the fact that no games currently
support it. This, I believe is the way to go. The ONLY advantage of
3dfx cards at the moment is their support for Glide games. That is
soon to be a non-issue. The Voodoo 3 series of cards are not much
more than Banshee cards on steroids. Banshee technology is over 2
years old. I am sure that my remarks are going to inflame a lot of
people, but those are my views (and the facts).
I, personally, am waiting for the new Asus V6800 Deluxe DDR GeForce
card.
For a sound card, I give the SB Live family of sound cards the nod.
The Diamond MX 300 is good, but I have had a lot of driver problems
with it. Also, the CPU overhead is a lot higher for the Diamond card
vs the SB card.

My two cents.

>As someone new to sims, I was wondering with all the hype about the
>new GeForce-based video cards, no one here seems to recommend them.
>When someone asks for a video card recommendation, it seems the V3000
>or 3500, or even 2000 is always the one to get the nod ...

>Why ???

>What about sound cards ??? What's the hot setup there ???

>Allan

Raymond
ACT LABS

by **Trevor C Thoma** » Sun, 12 Dec 1999 04:00:00

>Hello,
>I don't play a GPL often, but I do play Rally Championship a ton. I
>would highly recomment the GeForce cards unless of course Glide is
>important to you

Raymond, I have a Banshee right now and am about to switch, I'm planning on
a VooDoo 3 but only because there seems to be nothing better available for
Glide games.

If something better is soon to come along, then I'll wait for it. What will
this be and do you know how long?

Trev

by **Gary DeRo** » Mon, 13 Dec 1999 04:00:00

You do need a CL card to use the unified driver.

I build quite a few (12 or so a year) computers for friends and stuff. I
haven't used a GeForce card yet. I'm currently running a TNT2Ultra in my own
computer and I will still state absolutely, if you want a card that will run
all games, not have to play with drivers and setups, get real good frame
rates and a bright enough picture (gamma), stick with the 3dfx products. A
Voodoo3 3000 at about $110 is an excellent deal. I've felt this way for 2 or
3 months now, but as I look around on newsgroups, etc. I'm finding more and
more gamers agreeing with me. Keep in mind, this is coming from a guy who
stuck his last Voodoo3000 card in a friends machine and is now running an
Nvidia card. The hype is going out of the Ultra/GeForce and reality is
setting in. How advanced a card is, is great if you want to read specs with
your card. But if you want to play games with your card, forget the
techno-specs.

by **(Raymond, ACT LABS** » Wed, 15 Dec 1999 04:00:00

Hello Trev,
I have a Creative Banshee Blaster at home and a Diamond TNT2 Ultra at
work. All I can say is that there is something terribly wrong when
your video card at work is faster than the one at home. (I never play
games at work. :) ) I am absolutely dying for my new GeForce card
which I have on order. The Banshee card just doesn't cut it anymore.

I am buying a new Samsung 19" Dynaflat monitor for myself for
Christmas (just had to put that in), so am going to keep my second PCI
Banshee card for my second dispaly. There is no reason why you cannot
keep the Banshee card for Glide games.
If you are VERY concerned about Glide games and want a new upgrade now
(as bad as I do), then you really have no choice, but to opt for a
Voodoo 3. As for when 3dfx will be coming out with their next
generation card, who knows. Graphics card companies are notorious
for taking much longer to come out with a product than they announce.
You could be waiting at least 4 more months before the successor to
Voodoo 3 comes out.
I personally play a lot of FPS, where Open GL performance is more
important than Glide. In terms of picture quality, nothing beats the
TNT and Matrox cards.
When I am fragging, I don't care so much about picture quality and
usually play at 800x600 with 16 bit colour. When I am laying single
player games, however, I like to play at 1024x768 with 32 bit colour.
My TNT2 definitely looks better than my Banshee.
The Voodoo 3, basically has the same picture quality as the Banshee.
However, if Glide is that important to you, you do not currently have
any other options than a 3dfx card.

Raymond
ACT LABS

On Sat, 11 Dec 1999 09:09:57 -0600, "Trevor C Thomas"

>>Hello,
>>I don't play a GPL often, but I do play Rally Championship a ton. I
>>would highly recomment the GeForce cards unless of course Glide is
>>important to you

>Raymond, I have a Banshee right now and am about to switch, I'm planning on
>a VooDoo 3 but only because there seems to be nothing better available for
>Glide games.

>If something better is soon to come along, then I'll wait for it. What will
>this be and do you know how long?

>Trev

Raymond
ACT LABS

by **(Raymond, ACT LABS** » Wed, 15 Dec 1999 04:00:00

Hello,
Same here. I am dying for the Asus V6800. I may grow impatient,
though and go for the non DDR Asus V6600 Deluxe. I am not totally
convinced that I will benefit that much from the DDR. Besides, I will
have 30 days of use on my card before anyone sees the DDR versions of
the GeForce cards.

Raymond
ACT LABS

>>>When someone asks for a video card recommendation, it seems the V3000
>>>or 3500, or even 2000 is always the one to get the nod ...

>>>Why ???

>>It's because, around here, there's only one game that matters, and that's GPL.
>>And it's a glide game, or rendition. Which means you need a 3dfx card, or a
>>rendition.

>>The Geforce is a next generation TNT card. But you can use the unified ( glide
>>) drivers from Creative Labs ( I don't know if you specifically need a CL card,
>>but you're probably better off with one ) which according to some are getting
>>better all the time. So now you can have your cake and eat it too.

>Unified does not work with GPL. The GPL OpenGL patch works, but you have to
>slow down the mirror refresh to get 36 fps.

>>Me, I'm waiting for the DDR Geforce, double the memory bandwidth. I'll be
>>ready to buy toward the end of january and hopefully it'll be out around here
>>by then.

>They should be widely available by then. I'll wait until prices drop a bit
>or I buy a game that's actually too slow on my TNT 1 / Voodoo 2 setup.

>--

>spamgard(tm): To email me, put "geek" in your Subject line.

Raymond
ACT LABS

by **(Raymond, ACT LABS** » Wed, 15 Dec 1999 04:00:00

Hello,
Working at a *** company, I get to see a lot of the latest
hardware. In my opinion, the Matrox G400 looks the best, but has
sucky Open GL performance. The TNT2 Ultras look second best. We do
not have any Voodoo 3s in the office, but one of my LAN friends has
one in his box. I actually picked it for him, but only because he
does not have an AGP slot (all TNT2s are AGP). If you look with a
discerning eye, it is quite evident that the 3dfx cards are just a bit
behind in picture quailty. The technology behind the Voodoo 3 is
really not that much different than the Banshee.
Picture quality is somewhat subjective, so you should really just go
take a look. Fortunately for me, I just happen to have access to the
different hardware.

Raymond
ACT LABS

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