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   Hy,

       Just wondering if anyone else is not using the throttle aid(F7). I
started not to use it after a week of play with it, and I must say, it is
tough. Anyone have any tips on accelerating your car without sliding out? And
also, I am using a virtual pilot  yoke as a joystick..
                                        Thanks..

Chavin T.  

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Since I use the T2 I din't drive an inch with any help on.
In fact the way I see it : When driving with a T2 (or other good steering w=
heel/pedals)
                           there's only one way to drive : NO HELP!!

There's realy only one way to prevent spinning around, and that's going eas=
y on the =

throttle. (in some corners even very very very easy)

Ren=E9

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: I'm using a Trustmaster T2, so it probably is a lot easier to drive without=
:  throttle aid.

: Since I use the T2 I din't drive an inch with any help on.
: In fact the way I see it : When driving with a T2 (or other good steering w=
: heel/pedals)
:                            there's only one way to drive : NO HELP!!

: There's realy only one way to prevent spinning around, and that's going eas=
: y on the =

: throttle. (in some corners even very very very easy)

And NO throttle when the rear wheels are going over the curbs!

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For all of you out there posting these incredible lap times, I have
extracted your setups from your hotlaps and tried to drive them with
no help on.  I have yet to find a hotlap or setup that is remotely
driveable with all help off.   I would love to find someone else who
drives with no help to exchange setups with.

Jim Boka

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That's a bit harsh Cie, in fact I would go so far as to suggest that the
AI in GP2 is a _LOT_ more advanced than yer average pickup race at
Talladega.... :)

Cheers!
John

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Hi Jim,

I also use NO help and 0% sensitivity on throttle and brake, and I find
it pretty drivable with the right setup balance. It takes a LOT of right
foot control, as it can piroutte pretty damn quick, but keep the braking
under control at turn-in, and the throttle cool on exit and it's fine.

You've found him :)

Most setups you download are for steering assistance, and they can run a
greater gap between front and rear wing. With no steering assistance
(NSA), you must keep a closer balance between front and rear downforce,
as the sim doesn't help you. SA setups are hopeless for NSA.

Let me know the tracks you're running, and we can develop a setup. I'm
running Jerez just now, 1:21.1xx but I think I need fundamental setup
changes to get quicker.

Cheers!
John

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I use a joystick for steering and pedals for accelerator & brake.  I
have the accelerator set to be totally linear (ie the sensitivity
control set to 0%). Basically the trick is to avoid quick changes in
revs in low gears.  If you ease the accelerator rather than stomping
on it, you generally avoid wheelspin.  From experience I know that
when the accelerator is about half way down I am at the most likely
wheelspin point.  At half-accelerator in 1st gear, I tend to hold the
pedal still, and let the revs rise before applying full throttle.

I am currently trying to find a decent setup for Hungary.  It seems
that keeping the revs high makes the car less likely to step out on
me.

All I need now is a steering wheel so that I can turn this horrible
steering help off...

Alex

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I don't use throttle aid, too. It is much more complicated, but to use F7 is
nearly the same as to break very hard without blocking wheels - unrealistic!

I'm the happy owner of a T2 with pedals. If you ever have the change to drive
with T2, you'll never use your joystick again.

Without throttle aid you have to speed up very carefully - with T2 pedals very
similar to my real car (it's a Honda Jazz, a kind of shopping car with a high
speed near 120 km/h - the Ferrari seems to be a little bit faster).

Robin

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Well, I managed an adequate 1:22.358 at Monza with all helps off, but
Monza is an easy track.  At Monaco I'm still at a crappy 1:21.8.

Anyone willing to put on a Top 10 dedicated to "real drivers"? ;-)

Nicola Salmoria

Cheers
Martin

You'll turn faster laps without f7 (throttle help).
Just like the real thing you have to ease the power
on gently. Try and keep the car right on the edge without
letting go of the backend.
If you continually oversteer try softening the rear end
and adding a bit more real wing, later

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