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To all the Zone Alarm 'victims' out there...

Schum

To all the Zone Alarm 'victims' out there...

by Schum » Sat, 24 Nov 2001 18:02:10

Based on loosely recorded statistics in regards to many of the online
connectivity troubleshooting I do at Relay. It has come to my attention that
indeed 85-90% of all connectivity problems are caused by that crippleware
package called Zone Alarm.

I really don't like this program for a long list of reasons (technical,
fundamental, and logistical), but I can certainly understand why it is so
popular.

I guess the fact that it "locks your system down from outsiders" and does so
in a Lite Version that is available for free is incentive enough. Although,
in the process it locks the outside world out for you too, with limited
control over what can and can't be accessed (both directions), and packaged
in a fumbling and limited popup-dialog-based Interface.

I'm not going to get into the "Finer Details of Firewall Logistics" with
you. Rather, I wish to point you to a package that resembles Zone Alarm in a
number of ways, but simply outperforms Zone Alarm hands down. If the "Zone
Alarm type" is your cup of tea, you might be wise to investigate Tiny
Software's Firewall Software called "Personal Firewall". You can get a fully
functional (with no "buy me for more necessary features" traps), and how it
is laid out is similar in design to ZA. Basically it is Zone Alarm Pro for
free (and a few more *necessary* features to boot).

You will then be able to quickly, efficiently, and intuitively open/close
ports on your firewall in any manner you choose. You can even "pause it" at
will with the click of a button, and actually have it pause/suspend (unlike
ZA). It will also popup alerts/auth-requests just like ZA if you happened to
miss a few, or the other prog has some backend requesting going on.

I am confident that you will find it outperforms and outclasses even Zone
Alarm Pro.

You might also want to check out Tiny's Winroute if you connect through a
proxy server and currently using Sygate or <GASP> Win ICS. That package also
outclasses the others in its field.

No I don't work for the company or have any relationship with them. They
just build good/intuitive/functional software, which is something I can
appreciate. The price isn't bad neither!

Cheers,
Schumi

istof

To all the Zone Alarm 'victims' out there...

by istof » Sat, 24 Nov 2001 21:20:55



i second the above suggestion 100%.  Tiny also make an excellent
webserver for debugging cgi's, but thats another story.


up.

Regards all,
istoff

Stephen Smit

To all the Zone Alarm 'victims' out there...

by Stephen Smit » Sat, 24 Nov 2001 21:35:41

Agreed.  Tiny Firewall is great.  One of the few f/w's behind which you can
host a VROC race, NP.


Joakim Lauridse

To all the Zone Alarm 'victims' out there...

by Joakim Lauridse » Sat, 24 Nov 2001 22:57:33


> >Alarm type" is your cup of tea, you might be wise to investigate Tiny
> >Software's Firewall Software called "Personal Firewall". You can get a
fully
> >functional (with no "buy me for more necessary features" traps), and how
it

> up.

Well, when I last checked( it can have changed since) it didn't support
Internet connection Sharing, and that makes it pretty useless for me.

I have ZoneAlarm at present, but don't like it very much, and i have to shut
it down, when I play oon vroc, since it often freezes GPL when I go to the
pits via the escape button. :(. Any suggestions velcome, but they have to
support ICS, and of course GPL and Vroc. But Zoen Alarm comes highly
recommended in almost all test of free firewalls for personal use. I have
consider buying EZArmor, with both anti virus and personal Firewall, any
comments/recomendations on that one?

Joakim

BRH

To all the Zone Alarm 'victims' out there...

by BRH » Sun, 25 Nov 2001 00:46:46

OK.  I'm interested.

But, where do I find/download this little gem?


> Based on loosely recorded statistics in regards to many of the online
> connectivity troubleshooting I do at Relay. It has come to my attention that
> indeed 85-90% of all connectivity problems are caused by that crippleware
> package called Zone Alarm.

> I really don't like this program for a long list of reasons (technical,
> fundamental, and logistical), but I can certainly understand why it is so
> popular.

> I guess the fact that it "locks your system down from outsiders" and does so
> in a Lite Version that is available for free is incentive enough. Although,
> in the process it locks the outside world out for you too, with limited
> control over what can and can't be accessed (both directions), and packaged
> in a fumbling and limited popup-dialog-based Interface.

> I'm not going to get into the "Finer Details of Firewall Logistics" with
> you. Rather, I wish to point you to a package that resembles Zone Alarm in a
> number of ways, but simply outperforms Zone Alarm hands down. If the "Zone
> Alarm type" is your cup of tea, you might be wise to investigate Tiny
> Software's Firewall Software called "Personal Firewall". You can get a fully
> functional (with no "buy me for more necessary features" traps), and how it
> is laid out is similar in design to ZA. Basically it is Zone Alarm Pro for
> free (and a few more *necessary* features to boot).

> You will then be able to quickly, efficiently, and intuitively open/close
> ports on your firewall in any manner you choose. You can even "pause it" at
> will with the click of a button, and actually have it pause/suspend (unlike
> ZA). It will also popup alerts/auth-requests just like ZA if you happened to
> miss a few, or the other prog has some backend requesting going on.

> I am confident that you will find it outperforms and outclasses even Zone
> Alarm Pro.

> You might also want to check out Tiny's Winroute if you connect through a
> proxy server and currently using Sygate or <GASP> Win ICS. That package also
> outclasses the others in its field.

> No I don't work for the company or have any relationship with them. They
> just build good/intuitive/functional software, which is something I can
> appreciate. The price isn't bad neither!

> Cheers,
> Schumi

--
Bert
Don Jenning

To all the Zone Alarm 'victims' out there...

by Don Jenning » Sun, 25 Nov 2001 01:49:59

"Joakim Lauridsen" wrote ...

Are we talking about Tiny here?  And when you say "didn't support Internet
connection Sharing", what does that mean?

Jan Koh

To all the Zone Alarm 'victims' out there...

by Jan Koh » Sun, 25 Nov 2001 02:11:53


As a computer security consultant, I can completely agree with this.  I used
to run Zone Alarm,
but given the number of problems I had trying to get it to run WITH games, I
dropped it.  That,
and the fact that recent developments in the comp security world has proved
that Zone Alarm is
not invulnerable to attack, either...in fact, they've kind've been the
target since so many people
touted them so highly.

The problem with Zone Alarm is that is does NOT do what you want it to...if
you tell it to leave
open port for access, it does not leave them open.  As well, you can perform
a scan on a computer
running Zone Alarm, and it will still have ports open.  I've had a computer
that was running Zone
Alarm, and it would not allow it to access the network because the netbios
ports were hindered,
yet I issued it a remote shutdown from a remote access utility.

Tiny does exactly what you tell it to do, and I think it's a better product
for gamers.

Cheers!

Jan Kohl
The Pits - http://www.theuspits.com

Schum

To all the Zone Alarm 'victims' out there...

by Schum » Sun, 25 Nov 2001 03:31:11

http://www.tinysoftware.com

Sorry, I missed that :)

Cheers,
Schumi

JoeZ

To all the Zone Alarm 'victims' out there...

by JoeZ » Sun, 25 Nov 2001 03:34:06

For cable or DSL connections, the little NAT firewall appliances are getting
very cheap these days (for what you get.) I've seen them for 70.00 or less.

It's kind of nice not to install additional software for security and I can
play and
host games behind the firewall with no problems......


Schum

To all the Zone Alarm 'victims' out there...

by Schum » Sun, 25 Nov 2001 06:21:52

Do you mean "NAT Routers". Like Linksys, etc.?

If so... they have limited memory capabilities, so mapping ports will reach
a maximum. Which is something to be concerned about if you play more than 1
game on different ports, or the game uses a broad-spectrum port range.

The only alternative left with many of them is to assign your Gamebox as the
DMZ... which basically forwards all ports not listed in the Port Mapping
table to your gamebox... which in turn means that your NAT security (which
is of little consolation) is null & void.

But we may be talking about different things.

Cheers,
Schumi


> For cable or DSL connections, the little NAT firewall appliances are
getting
> very cheap these days (for what you get.) I've seen them for 70.00 or
less.

> It's kind of nice not to install additional software for security and I
can
> play and
> host games behind the firewall with no problems......



> > Based on loosely recorded statistics in regards to many of the online
> > connectivity troubleshooting I do at Relay. It has come to my attention
> that
> > indeed 85-90% of all connectivity problems are caused by that
crippleware
> > package called Zone Alarm.

> > I really don't like this program for a long list of reasons (technical,
> > fundamental, and logistical), but I can certainly understand why it is
so
> > popular.

> > I guess the fact that it "locks your system down from outsiders" and
does
> so
> > in a Lite Version that is available for free is incentive enough.
> Although,
> > in the process it locks the outside world out for you too, with limited
> > control over what can and can't be accessed (both directions), and
> packaged
> > in a fumbling and limited popup-dialog-based Interface.

> > I'm not going to get into the "Finer Details of Firewall Logistics" with
> > you. Rather, I wish to point you to a package that resembles Zone Alarm
in
> a
> > number of ways, but simply outperforms Zone Alarm hands down. If the
"Zone
> > Alarm type" is your cup of tea, you might be wise to investigate Tiny
> > Software's Firewall Software called "Personal Firewall". You can get a
> fully
> > functional (with no "buy me for more necessary features" traps), and how
> it
> > is laid out is similar in design to ZA. Basically it is Zone Alarm Pro
for
> > free (and a few more *necessary* features to boot).

> > You will then be able to quickly, efficiently, and intuitively
open/close
> > ports on your firewall in any manner you choose. You can even "pause it"
> at
> > will with the click of a button, and actually have it pause/suspend
> (unlike
> > ZA). It will also popup alerts/auth-requests just like ZA if you
happened
> to
> > miss a few, or the other prog has some backend requesting going on.

> > I am confident that you will find it outperforms and outclasses even
Zone
> > Alarm Pro.

> > You might also want to check out Tiny's Winroute if you connect through
a
> > proxy server and currently using Sygate or <GASP> Win ICS. That package
> also
> > outclasses the others in its field.

> > No I don't work for the company or have any relationship with them. They
> > just build good/intuitive/functional software, which is something I can
> > appreciate. The price isn't bad neither!

> > Cheers,
> > Schumi

Tsuna

To all the Zone Alarm 'victims' out there...

by Tsuna » Sun, 25 Nov 2001 06:32:24

OK, I downloaded it, installed it, and set it all up. Seems nice an
easy, and I guess that the popups will stop eventually. I am routing
through it using AnalogX Proxy software, so, how do I tell it to open
a port and let me play a game (say, NFS PU) through it?

Tsunami

Schum

To all the Zone Alarm 'victims' out there...

by Schum » Sun, 25 Nov 2001 07:25:35

How do you open the ports on the firewall, or forward them on the Proxy?

Which one are you talking about?

If it is firewall... click on "Advanced" Button next to the "Security level
slider". There will be a list of all your rules (which prog can access
in/out through which ports unhindered). Add a new one... xselect "Any
Program" fromt he program selection, and map both UDP/TCP ports UP/DOWN that
NFSPU or whatever game you're planning to play, uses. Then you have opened
the ports, and Bob's your uncle.

If you are asking about your Proxy Soft. I would suggest looking at your
documentation (I don't know about that soft). Look for "Port Mapping" and
"forward" those same ports as above for firewall... and forward them TCP/UDP
UP/DOWN to your gamebox.

Hope that helps.

Cheers,
Schumi

Don Scurlo

To all the Zone Alarm 'victims' out there...

by Don Scurlo » Sun, 25 Nov 2001 11:20:03



Hey Jason. Glad we're on this subject. I just bought a D-Link DI-704(combo
switch,router,NAT firewall)to network two home computers. I have yet to get the

figure it out, it seems highly configurable. Your suggesting it won't have
enough flexability? Whats the way to go without buying additional IP address?

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Tim

To all the Zone Alarm 'victims' out there...

by Tim » Sun, 25 Nov 2001 11:52:38



>Hey Jason. Glad we're on this subject. I just bought a D-Link DI-704(combo
>switch,router,NAT firewall)to network two home computers. I have yet to get the

>figure it out, it seems highly configurable. Your suggesting it won't have
>enough flexability? Whats the way to go without buying additional IP address?

I initially used ZoneAlarm, but now I'm using a Linksys 4 port


obtain IP's automatically, and had both online in no time.
I've played games no problem, but one thing I haven't done is played
net games from both machines at the same time.

I actually set out to get a Netgear router, but got the Linksys
because the store didn't have the Netgear I wanted. I read the Netgear
firewall was more robust, but I'm happy with the Linksys.

As a test, I left Zonealarm on one of the machines to see how many
attempted accesses there were on my IP. I went from about 50 per day
(sometimes 50 over a weekend) with just ZoneAlarm to absolutely none
in a whole week with the router.

Tim

Todd Walk

To all the Zone Alarm 'victims' out there...

by Todd Walk » Sun, 25 Nov 2001 16:20:04



Tim,

Just FYI -- the router will take care of 99.9% of all *** activity
from outside your home network, but will do nothing for you if a
trojan makes its way onto your PC. If the router sees a packet
originating from within your network, it will let it through, as well
as letting through any packets that are sent back to you in response.

Todd Walker

twalker at jam dot rr dot com
http://www.racesimcentral.net/


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