rec.autos.simulators

by **Larr** » Thu, 26 Sep 2002 04:59:38

Ok, where are you guys getting the frame rate from?

I must have missed something in the manual.

-Larry

> > I don't understand why some people seem to have low frame rates. I have
a
> > Athlon 2100XP with GF3 Ti500 and get 50-60 fps around Monza in a full
race

> > Hmmm...
> > Iain

> alot more to performance than CPU and video card. The motherboard chipset
> has alot to do with it as well as ram quailty and speed. For example I
have
> an AMD chipset based motherboard. Its not as fast as a VIA based board,
but
> then again it doesn't crash like one either. :)

> MadDAWG

by **Aibhne ó hAimhirgí** » Thu, 26 Sep 2002 07:40:46

Hit CTRL+F to get framerate info in the top right-hand corner of the screen.

Aibhne

> Ok, where are you guys getting the frame rate from?

> I must have missed something in the manual.

> -Larry

> > > I don't understand why some people seem to have low frame rates. I
have
> a
> > > Athlon 2100XP with GF3 Ti500 and get 50-60 fps around Monza in a full
> race

1400

> > > Hmmm...
> > > Iain

is
> > alot more to performance than CPU and video card. The motherboard
chipset
> > has alot to do with it as well as ram quailty and speed. For example I
> have
> > an AMD chipset based motherboard. Its not as fast as a VIA based board,
> but
> > then again it doesn't crash like one either. :)

> > MadDAWG

by **Haqsa** » Thu, 26 Sep 2002 11:54:26

Did you change the chassis setup at all? The default "grip" settings
are crap. Change to the other default, the one with just the name of
the track, and start tweaking from there. Or download some setups from
the links given in other messages. With a good setup it is not only
very linear and controllable in a slide, it is downright fun.

by **Iain Mackenzi** » Fri, 27 Sep 2002 00:40:51

In NR2002 I do have world detail at max, but this is F1 2002 we're talking
about here!

Iain

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by **Larr** » Fri, 27 Sep 2002 05:44:53

Freakin duh :)

Thanks :)

-Larry

> Hit CTRL+F to get framerate info in the top right-hand corner of the
screen.

> Aibhne

> > Ok, where are you guys getting the frame rate from?

> > I must have missed something in the manual.

> > -Larry

> > > > I don't understand why some people seem to have low frame rates. I
> have
> > a
> > > > Athlon 2100XP with GF3 Ti500 and get 50-60 fps around Monza in a
full
> > race

> 1400

> > > > Hmmm...
> > > > Iain

> is
> > > alot more to performance than CPU and video card. The motherboard
> chipset
> > > has alot to do with it as well as ram quailty and speed. For example I
> > have
> > > an AMD chipset based motherboard. Its not as fast as a VIA based
board,
> > but
> > > then again it doesn't crash like one either. :)

> > > MadDAWG

by J » Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:48:32

Compare your fps with your monitor refresh-rate.
if #1 > #2 then up your details or what-so-ever to lower #1.
No more stutter since then.

JensSchumi

>It's not that kind of stutter...

>It's a quick, very momentary pause about 1/10th of a second in length. Like
>it's going to the hard drive for something.

>-Larry

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by J » Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:48:32

LOL,
second that one
Same observation I made when using a ECS K5sa (or something like that) in
replacement for my K7A266, which was sent to the shop for repair.
The ECS was by far slower, but dead-stable.

I must admit that I also got the VIA-problems solved lateron and I'm now happy
with my board.

JensSchumi

>alot more to performance than CPU and video card. The motherboard chipset
>has alot to do with it as well as ram quailty and speed. For example I have
>an AMD chipset based motherboard. Its not as fast as a VIA based board, but
>then again it doesn't crash like one either. :)

>MadDAWG

---------------------------------------------
LWFF Ball Bearing conversion at:
http://jensschumi.bravepages.com/

GPLRank: -14.82
Monsters of GPL: sub 95

by **Larr** » Sat, 28 Sep 2002 23:37:03

Um, my refresh rate is set to 120 :)

-Larry

> Compare your fps with your monitor refresh-rate.
> if #1 > #2 then up your details or what-so-ever to lower #1.
> No more stutter since then.

> JensSchumi

> >It's not that kind of stutter...

> >It's a quick, very momentary pause about 1/10th of a second in length.
Like
> >it's going to the hard drive for something.

> >-Larry

> ---------------------------------------------
> LWFF Ball Bearing conversion at:
> http://jensschumi.bravepages.com/

> GPLRank: -14.82
> Monsters of GPL: sub 95

by **Haqsa** » Sun, 29 Sep 2002 11:20:52

Killing absolutely everything in the background except systray,
explorer, and the Logitech profiler solved all my stuttering problems.
And cured my lisp! ;o)

The odd thing is it doesn't seem to matter which background apps I kill,
I have to kill them all, and this despite having 512 meg of RAM. And
btw on my system lately the stuttering has infested every driving game I
have. Doesn't matter who makes it, whether it's opengl or d3d, 3d audio
or not. So I seem to have no choice but to kill everything every time I
want to play a driving game, then reboot afterwards if I want to do
anything else with the PC.

Speaking of which, I have heard reference to a program you can get that
will kill all your unnecessary background apps for you in one swell
foop. This sounds a whole lot better than hitting ctrl-alt-del about 90
times (some of my apps refuse to die easily). Anybody know where this
program can be found?

> Um, my refresh rate is set to 120 :)

> -Larry

> > Compare your fps with your monitor refresh-rate.
> > if #1 > #2 then up your details or what-so-ever to lower #1.
> > No more stutter since then.

> > JensSchumi

> > >It's not that kind of stutter...

> > >It's a quick, very momentary pause about 1/10th of a second in
length.
> Like
> > >it's going to the hard drive for something.

> > >-Larry

> > ---------------------------------------------
> > LWFF Ball Bearing conversion at:
> > http://jensschumi.bravepages.com/

> > GPLRank: -14.82
> > Monsters of GPL: sub 95

by **Dave Henri** » Sun, 29 Sep 2002 12:47:32

Enditall2 will kill the non-needed apps and leave others protected. You
will most likely be suprised that ctrl-alt-delete does NOT show all the
background programs running.
Google should point you to a dload for Enditall2.

dave henrie

> Killing absolutely everything in the background except systray,
> explorer, and the Logitech profiler solved all my stuttering problems.
> And cured my lisp! ;o)

> The odd thing is it doesn't seem to matter which background apps I kill,
> I have to kill them all, and this despite having 512 meg of RAM. And
> btw on my system lately the stuttering has infested every driving game I
> have. Doesn't matter who makes it, whether it's opengl or d3d, 3d audio
> or not. So I seem to have no choice but to kill everything every time I
> want to play a driving game, then reboot afterwards if I want to do
> anything else with the PC.

> Speaking of which, I have heard reference to a program you can get that
> will kill all your unnecessary background apps for you in one swell
> foop. This sounds a whole lot better than hitting ctrl-alt-del about 90
> times (some of my apps refuse to die easily). Anybody know where this
> program can be found?

> > Um, my refresh rate is set to 120 :)

> > -Larry

> > > Compare your fps with your monitor refresh-rate.
> > > if #1 > #2 then up your details or what-so-ever to lower #1.
> > > No more stutter since then.

> > > JensSchumi

> > > >It's not that kind of stutter...

> > > >It's a quick, very momentary pause about 1/10th of a second in
> length.
> > Like
> > > >it's going to the hard drive for something.

> > > >-Larry

> > > ---------------------------------------------
> > > LWFF Ball Bearing conversion at:
> > > http://jensschumi.bravepages.com/

> > > GPLRank: -14.82
> > > Monsters of GPL: sub 95

by **Ruud van Ga** » Sun, 29 Sep 2002 22:37:10

...

What is this with background apps and killing them. On a normal OS, an
idle background app takes little to none (terminals take none) CPU
time, and when idle for long, they can be swapped out, so they do no
harm memorywise either, esp. on 512Mb systems.

Now ofcourse Windows is something else, but on any Unix, there are
dozens of background processes but they just take up a bit of virtual
memory, not CPU.

Ruud van Gaal
Free car sim: http://www.racer.nl/
Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/

by **Carl Ribbegaard** » Sun, 29 Sep 2002 22:34:05

Just for fun, I can mention that you doesn't have to have Explorer running
either :-)

/Carl

> Killing absolutely everything in the background except systray,
> explorer, and the Logitech profiler solved all my stuttering problems.
> And cured my lisp! ;o)

> The odd thing is it doesn't seem to matter which background apps I kill,
> I have to kill them all, and this despite having 512 meg of RAM. And
> btw on my system lately the stuttering has infested every driving game I
> have. Doesn't matter who makes it, whether it's opengl or d3d, 3d audio
> or not. So I seem to have no choice but to kill everything every time I
> want to play a driving game, then reboot afterwards if I want to do
> anything else with the PC.

> Speaking of which, I have heard reference to a program you can get that
> will kill all your unnecessary background apps for you in one swell
> foop. This sounds a whole lot better than hitting ctrl-alt-del about 90
> times (some of my apps refuse to die easily). Anybody know where this
> program can be found?

> > Um, my refresh rate is set to 120 :)

> > -Larry

> > > Compare your fps with your monitor refresh-rate.
> > > if #1 > #2 then up your details or what-so-ever to lower #1.
> > > No more stutter since then.

> > > JensSchumi

> > > >It's not that kind of stutter...

> > > >It's a quick, very momentary pause about 1/10th of a second in
> length.
> > Like
> > > >it's going to the hard drive for something.

> > > >-Larry

> > > ---------------------------------------------
> > > LWFF Ball Bearing conversion at:
> > > http://jensschumi.bravepages.com/

> > > GPLRank: -14.82
> > > Monsters of GPL: sub 95

by **Haqsa** » Mon, 30 Sep 2002 01:03:42

I agree with you Ruud, but the results speak for themselves. Killing
all the background stuff really does make a difference in Win9x. Don't
know why, wish it didn't, but it does. I think it has to do with the
inefficient way Win9x handles virtual memory. It picks the wrong time
and the wrong reasons to swap things in and out of memory, and due to
its poor method of multitasking any disk access slows down everything on
the computer. I am hoping that when I go to XP this will not be a
problem. <fingers crossed, knock on wood, etc.>

by **Haqsa** » Mon, 30 Sep 2002 01:17:10

For anyone else interested, I found the program that Dave is referring
to at

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,697,00.asp

The article describing how to use it starts at

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,1935,00.asp

by **Jason Moy** » Mon, 30 Sep 2002 03:24:30

In *nix, multitasking means multiple processes running simultaneously,
with different priorities given to each.

In windows, multitasking means multiple processes running
simultaneously with the same priority given to each unless the app
(Winamp for instance) specifically allows you to change its resource
usage. If you have secureCRT, internet exploder, and f1 2002 running
at the same time, Windows will continue pumping resources to each app
regardless of which one is active. O a *nix machine, if an app isn't
active, it's not eating resources.

Windows, XP/2000/NT/OS2 included, is also really bad at recovering
resources that are no longer in use. This is why closing applications
before playing a game isn't as good as not having them running in the
first place. The OS/2 kernel used in NT/2k/XP is much better at
resource management, whereas in 95/98 it was necessary to reboot
before doing anything resource-intensive, but there are still the
occasional issues with memory leakage and processes that don't die and
continue to eat CPU/mem.

Jason

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