rec.autos.simulators

On Fri, 24 Aug 2001 10:34:36 +0100, "Iain Mackenzie"

Weird.. because I remember how bad FF was in GP3, and I was so
surprised that I could feel what the car was doing now in GP3 2000..
On my system FF is definately better in GP3 2000 than in GP3.

weird again, no problems here.. running smooth in 1280 with all
details on, on a P3 866 GF2 GTS. Max 120% when there's a major crash
in front of me.

Yes, you definately have a problem with your controller setup. I have
to be extremely carefull at the start, when I hit the throttle too
much the rear snaps out. Same goes for acceletating out of corners.
The car in GP3 2k does NOT feel 'on rails'. If the car feels 'on
rails' then there is something wrong with your configuration.

Weird eh, how games behave differently on different systems.. Gp3 2k
is perfect on mine, but feels 'on rails' on your system, F1RC AI sucks
on my system while you have no problems at all with them..
:)

Andre

Not sure what you mean by this?

Can't comment here, I don't have FF here.

Agreed.

Nope, they still suck :(

That is weird, I get a lower occupancy than in GP3 (not by much
though, just  a bit). Something's not right then.

That's what I found to be the biggest advantage. They don't feel like
on rails to me, I find the starts to be a quite similar test of
throttle and grip in both versions. My biggest problem is my heavy
right foot giving me grief exiting corners :) Racing the AI, I've just
found the cars more "driveable" and realistic. Sliding into corners is
very nice, catching any oversteer - as long as I'm quick enough ;) is
good too. Just racing it is more fun, for me anyway.

Problem for me, and also for Andre I'd say, is that we never really
got into GP3 totally. I played it a fair bit, but never installed many
of the addons or fiddled with setups too much, as I was too busy
learning the subtleties of it. But it frustrated me so often that I
gave up. But I have WAAYYYY more time for it with the addon, and am
enjoying it alot.

Maybe it's alot to do with the fact that it all works properly, right
out of the box.

BTW, a couple of things you didn't mention were the debris collision,
pits communications (not that exciting anyway), the revamped and very
well done AI, and the reworked controller setup (not the menus, just
the way it works first time now)

Mind you, GP3 should always have had this stuff from day 1

Rafe Mc

On Fri, 24 Aug 2001 16:50:27 +0100, "Iain Mackenzie"

You seem to have worse ff and worse car behaviour in GP3 2000.
You mention the car feels like it's riding on rails.
If that is the case then there must be something wrong with your
configuration. Don't ask me what, but do try to investigate what can
be wrong because GP3 2000, when setup correctly, definately feels not
like riding on rails.
I found it even funny how I could use some of my GPL drifting
techniques in GP3 2000 again :))

Well we can talk a lot about how good or bad the AI is, I tried them a
lot, and the biggest problems I had with the F1RC AI was that they
allmost allways caused huge crashed during the start, were too fast in
corners and way too slow on the straights. You -could- race with them,
but I was only worrying about how to avoid those crazy kamikaze
drivers.
In GP3 2000 I had some serious good battles with the AI. I race them
on ace level (I'm too slow for Pro level yet :) and the AI are hard
but fair drivers. Major difference compared to the F1RC drivers.
Untill I tried GP3 2000 I thought the AI in GPL was pretty good, but
now I realized they are just drones running around in the same
patterns. In GP3 2k the AI actually seems to have situational
awareness. Just simply fantastic.

Don't misunderstand me btw, I'm not bashing you (or what was the
correct word again), just trying to help here.
As you understood by now I was very pleasantly surprised with GP3
2000, and I was very surprised when I read your negative comments.
So.. I hope you can figure out why GP3 2k isn't behaving on your
system as it should do.

Andre

The annoying 'Verstappen is in the pits' messages on the top of the
screen. A bit arcade.>Problem for me, and also for Andre I'd say, is
that we never really

Couldn't agree more :))

Andre

Framerate here is really bad in 2000 (allmost not playable in 800x600), but
in org. GP3 it runs OK at 1280x1024!

Can it have something to do AMD / Intel or maybe a videocard problem?

My system:
1200 Mhz T.bird
384 Mb Ram.
Geforce 2 GTS 32 Mb (Detonater 12.90)
Windows 2000 Pro.

What is your systems? Especially you who has a framerate improvement?

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Sven

P3 866
256mb ram
GF2 GTS 32 (det 12.60)
Win98

Processor Occupancy is mostly under 100% in 1280x1024 res with all
details on and EAX on.

Ian, are you running under W2000 perhaps? Seems to be the only real
difference between BT's and my system..

Andre

I'm able to run 1280x1024 now, where 1024 was my best in GP3. I was
*almost* able to run 1280 before, but PO was too marginal. Pretty much
alright now.

Rafe Mc

Interesting. Then it might not have anything to do with AMD, or maybe AMD +
win2k or AMD + Nvidia or AMD + win2k + nvidia.
Still too many options.

Anyone can make GP3 2000 run under win2k or winXP with good framerates?
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Sven

Interesting. Then it might not have anything to do with AMD, or maybe AMD +
win2k or AMD + Nvidia or AMD + win2k + nvidia.
Still too many options.

Anyone can make GP3 2000 run under win2k or winXP with good framerates?
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Sven

That they have by the bucket load.  They do a pretty good job now of
avoiding not only cars during an accident, but also the debris.  Of course,
the CPU load goes wayyyy up in a big wreck.

Stephen

On Mon, 27 Aug 2001 10:19:16 +0200, "Stephen Ferguson"

Andre