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OT: Spoiler Alert Indy...

Dave Henri

OT: Spoiler Alert Indy...

by Dave Henri » Tue, 01 Jun 2004 13:52:44

  Just to loosen up the old Xfiles brain cells.  Has anyone noticed that
Indianpolis native David Letterman, who is partnered with Bobby Rahal, has
taken a bigger financial stake in Rahal Racing(owners of race winner Buddy
Rice's car)?  Is it just coincidence that the local hero's team, with a
substitute driver, outruns all the big boys?
Dontcha just love these coincidences?  Or that last time Team Rahal used
honda power he couldn't even qualify?  
dave :) henrie
Pez

OT: Spoiler Alert Indy...

by Pez » Tue, 01 Jun 2004 20:26:16

lap 174, rice makes a mess of overtaking Takagi, slows, Kanaans about to
catch him, then all of a sudden the yellow came out.

pah!

pez


Dino

OT: Spoiler Alert Indy...

by Dino » Wed, 02 Jun 2004 08:48:40

Are you related to Oliver Stone?  Uhhh, when did Rahal Racing become a
second tier team? You're just showing your ignorance classifying BR as just
a 'substitute driver'. Lack of proper sponsership monies . . . not talent,
has been his (and the majority of young american road racer's) roadblock.
And oh yeah, weren't the top 7 all Honda powered? ;-)
Get over it DH . . . . . your TG/IRL *** speculations have worn thin
with me, give me some substance next time please!!

DN


J.D. Elli

OT: Spoiler Alert Indy...

by J.D. Elli » Wed, 02 Jun 2004 09:48:35


That's reaching, even by your standards. ;-)

-jde

Dave Henri

OT: Spoiler Alert Indy...

by Dave Henri » Wed, 02 Jun 2004 11:10:32



  I never said Rahal was a 2nd rate team.  I did say that Rice was a
substitute driver, he would not have that seat if Brack was healthy.  
From the sound of his interview he had to pay part of his car costs.   I
just think that it's odd that Indianna native Letterman, who's been
virtually a silent partner all these years, suddenly ponies up more
Dollars and buys more interest in the Partnership.  And his reward?  
T***'s Track, T***'s engines, T*** wins.  
   Last I heard, around Motegi time, Toyota was already concentrating on
the 3 litre formulae for Indy, but Honda was so desperate to win at
Motegi they had  focused all their development on the old 3.5 litre
engine to win there.  
And when May started the Toyotas had a definate edge.  But..Honda was the
big spender this year...buying out Fernandez, buying out Rahal.  Instead
of Rahal/Letterman it should be "Rahal/Letterman brought to you by
Honda."   Supposedly Honda is offering 24 MILLION dollars to Carl Haas to
bring one car and one driver over to the irl.  I would imagine the
Rahal/Ferndandez deals were similar.   So like any good Don, T*** rewards
his loyal minions...top 7 cars all Honda.  The plot
thickens...Remember...I'm not just making all this stuff up...it's all
out there.  I just draw lines from one item to the next.  
   Do you really think a company like Honda will spend 75 MILLION US
dollars just to have 3 more cars in the irl?  Risk vs Reward. Except for
Indy, the IRL Cable ratings are less than 1 share.  75 million for Rahal,
Fernandez, & Haas plus whatever Team Andretti gets and all this for a 1
share on TV?  I think I'll go find some used irl tub and sign on with
Honda.  
   Enough substance for now?

dave henrie

Dino

OT: Spoiler Alert Indy...

by Dino » Thu, 03 Jun 2004 10:17:40




> > Are you related to Oliver Stone?  Uhhh, when did Rahal Racing become a
> > second tier team? You're just showing your ignorance classifying BR as
> > just a 'substitute driver'. Lack of proper sponsership monies . . .
> > not talent, has been his (and the majority of young american road
> > racer's) roadblock. And oh yeah, weren't the top 7 all Honda powered?
> > ;-) Get over it DH . . . . . your TG/IRL *** speculations have
> > worn thin with me, give me some substance next time please!!

> > DN

>   I never said Rahal was a 2nd rate team.  I did say that Rice was a
> substitute driver, he would not have that seat if Brack was healthy.
> From the sound of his interview he had to pay part of his car costs.   I
> just think that it's odd that Indianna native Letterman, who's been
> virtually a silent partner all these years, suddenly ponies up more
> Dollars and buys more interest in the Partnership.  And his reward?
> T***'s Track, T***'s engines, T*** wins.
>    Last I heard, around Motegi time, Toyota was already concentrating on
> the 3 litre formulae for Indy, but Honda was so desperate to win at
> Motegi they had  focused all their development on the old 3.5 litre
> engine to win there.
> And when May started the Toyotas had a definate edge.  But..Honda was the
> big spender this year...buying out Fernandez, buying out Rahal.  Instead
> of Rahal/Letterman it should be "Rahal/Letterman brought to you by
> Honda."   Supposedly Honda is offering 24 MILLION dollars to Carl Haas to
> bring one car and one driver over to the irl.  I would imagine the
> Rahal/Ferndandez deals were similar.   So like any good Don, T*** rewards
> his loyal minions...top 7 cars all Honda.  The plot
> thickens...Remember...I'm not just making all this stuff up...it's all
> out there.  I just draw lines from one item to the next.
>    Do you really think a company like Honda will spend 75 MILLION US
> dollars just to have 3 more cars in the irl?  Risk vs Reward. Except for
> Indy, the IRL Cable ratings are less than 1 share.  75 million for Rahal,
> Fernandez, & Haas plus whatever Team Andretti gets and all this for a 1
> share on TV?  I think I'll go find some used irl tub and sign on with
> Honda.
>    Enough substance for now?

Why are you so surprised that a large corporate entity would throw their
money around needlessly. . .  . where you been? ;-)
Also, do you really think Penske, Ganassi and Foyt would stand by idly if
what you're insinuating was fact :-)
The Toyota powered Hornish . . . . until his accident . . . . was without a
doubt the man to beat, he worked his way past the Honda powered Rice and was
actually drawing away until his misfortune in the pits. I suppose TG was
responsible for his 'faulty' fuel rig, or maybe he pushed the button that
was soft-wired to Greg Ray's car, detonating it at juuuust the right time to
take out the evil empired Toyota? ;-)
I've followed American open-wheeled racing for 25 yrs., I'm as frustrated
with the current situation as one could get and I'm 'not' a TG supporter,
but it pisses me off when people like you choose to focus on thought up
conspiricies as to why B. Rice won The Indianapolis 500 instead of  giving
the man & team it's due.
Seems to me your hatred of 'The Dark One' has become unhealthy, surely (you
watch TV don't you ;-) there are meds available to help you get thru this.

DN

Dave Henri

OT: Spoiler Alert Indy...

by Dave Henri » Thu, 03 Jun 2004 11:24:48



   You are right of course.  But, Buddy's win does deserve credit.  
And...I will freely admit that my views of the s.e.b. have become
'slightly' skewed.  However.....it is just sooooo much fun to trash the
l.r.b. that I find no reason to stop.....ESPECIALLY when THEY(the evil
empire) give me so much ammunition.   And what THEY don't provide...I can
make up.  :)
   Now back to Letterman....ABC(the broadcasters of the indy race) made a
large unsucessful bid about a year ago to lure Mr Letterman and his World
Wide Pants company away from CBS and into the ABC fold.  Back when he was
just a name on the letterhead at Rahal Racing, ABC didn't have the clout
to bring him over.  Now that they are defacto partners...how long til the
current CBS contract expires?  
    Another bit of substance...The two Japanese manufacturers left CART
for two reasons.  One they said CART capriciously changed the engine
specs and only gave them about 1.5 years to implement them.(of course
when the IRL changed engine specs just a few months BEFORE the new
season, they seemingly had no problem adapting.)  Two...and honestly I
forget who first was accused...But I think it was Honda that went to CART
and claimed Toyota had bypassed certain rules to increase the amount of
air the engines were receiving.  So CART slapped Toyota's hands and made
them fix the plenums.  But then it was revealed that Honda had also done
pretty much the same thing and THEY screamed ***y *** when CART also  
disciplined them.(as I stated..I'm foggy on the exact order of
guilt...but the context remains the same regardless who blew the whistle
first.)  All this time Ford was prepared to offer some of the new engines
in time for the season.  Even Ilmor the Mercedes/Phoenix engine builders
offered to sell CART old Turbo blocks until the other manufactuers could
implement the normally aspirated engines.
    So now you have these two known cheaters supplying the entire front
half of the grid with engines.  you TRUST these guys to play fair?

dave henrie

J. Todd Wass

OT: Spoiler Alert Indy...

by J. Todd Wass » Fri, 04 Jun 2004 05:51:04

<snip>

Letterman decided not to switch stations because he would have taken over Ted
Koppel's Nightline slot and put him out of a job.  I remember the Letterman
show where he finally announced his decision and explained himself.  

Of course, I could be thinking of the wrong year :-P

Todd Wasson
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