rec.autos.simulators

>> Unless you are planning on becoming a race driver, for which you
>> will need a lot more than a simulator, why worry about crashing
>> while racing? Personally, I like the idea of total realism with
>> respect to the interaction of wheels on the pavement combined
>> with the fun of being indestructible. Wouldn't that help solve
>> the problem of inexperienced drivers who don't let you pass? You
>> could do like the police during a real-life car chase and spin
>> them out of the way. Faster drivers will still always make up
>> time when not having to pass other cars. Of course it would
>> advantage someone who's good at bumping around in traffic, but
>> that too is a skill. I'm sure it's not a novel idea, but do any
>> groups practice that in online racing?
> Not sure you're going to get many advocates here.  Besides, the
> netcode is going to have to be pretty damn good to allow you to
> bump another so precisely as to spin them out and allow you to
> keep going.  Haven't done any online stuff in the last couple of
> years now so things have probably improved, but normally any kind
> of coming together would result in both cars careering off into
> the nearest piece of scenery.

> This is how Toca Race Driver 3 works. Turns out that your fastest
> lap times occur when you use opponent cars as brake and cornering
> assists. The normal strategy is to brake too late, ram the
> opponent car from behind, sending that car off track, and slowing
> your car enough to make the turn. During corner exit, if someone
> ahead isn't on the inside line, you can dive inside going too fast
> timing it so your car slides into the opponent car, bumping the
> opponent car off track, and keeping you on track.

>>> Unless you are planning on becoming a race driver, for which you
>>> will need a lot more than a simulator, why worry about crashing
>>> while racing?
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>> Not sure you're going to get many advocates here.  Besides, the
>> netcode is going to have to be pretty damn good to allow you to
>> bump another so precisely as to spin them out and allow you to
>> keep going.
...
> It works in GTR. It works in Need for Speed too. Obviously it's not
> rocket science.

>> That stuff is easier said than done against intelligent,
>> experienced, and skillful drivers.

> Not when thse skillful drivers brake for corner entry, and the
> driver behind choose to ram them. It's difficult to swerve to
> avoid a rammer while under braking because lateral forces are
> limited. Some method of placing blame on what driver was
> responsible for contact would be needed to stop this.

>> I disagree. Maybe we can get together and you can prove how easy it
>> is.

> Make this simpler, take two equally skilled drivers and allow

>> Unless you are planning on becoming a race driver, for which you
>> will need a lot more than a simulator, why worry about crashing
>> while racing? Personally, I like the idea of total realism with
>> respect to the interaction of wheels on the pavement combined with
>> the fun of being indestructible. Wouldn't that help solve the
>> problem of inexperienced drivers who don't let you pass? You could
>> do like the police during a real-life car chase and spin them out of
>> the way. Faster drivers will still always make up time when not
>> having to pass other cars. Of course it would advantage someone
>> who's good at bumping around in traffic, but that too is a skill.
>> I'm sure it's not a novel idea, but do any groups practice that in
>> online racing?

> Not sure you're going to get many advocates here.  Besides, the netcode
> is going to have to be pretty damn good to allow you to bump another so
> precisely as to spin them out and allow you to keep going.  Haven't done
> any online stuff in the last couple of years now so things have probably
> improved, but normally any kind of coming together would result in both
> cars careering off into the nearest piece of scenery.

>>> Unless you are planning on becoming a race driver, for which you
>>> will need a lot more than a simulator, why worry about crashing
>>> while racing? Personally, I like the idea of total realism with
>>> respect to the interaction of wheels on the pavement combined with
>>> the fun of being indestructible. Wouldn't that help solve the
>>> problem of inexperienced drivers who don't let you pass? You could
>>> do like the police during a real-life car chase and spin them out of
>>> the way. Faster drivers will still always make up time when not
>>> having to pass other cars. Of course it would advantage someone
>>> who's good at bumping around in traffic, but that too is a skill.
>>> I'm sure it's not a novel idea, but do any groups practice that in
>>> online racing?

>> Not sure you're going to get many advocates here.  Besides, the netcode
>> is going to have to be pretty damn good to allow you to bump another so
>> precisely as to spin them out and allow you to keep going.  Haven't done
>> any online stuff in the last couple of years now so things have probably
>> improved, but normally any kind of coming together would result in both
>> cars careering off into the nearest piece of scenery.

> In rFactor it very easy to bump cars off the road and get away with it.
> The online servers set the damage too low, hence the unrealistic driving
> methods.

>>> Not sure you're going to get many advocates here.  Besides, the netcode
>>> is going to have to be pretty damn good to allow you to bump another so
>>> precisely as to spin them out and allow you to keep going.  Haven't done
>>> any online stuff in the last couple of years now so things have probably
>>> improved, but normally any kind of coming together would result in both
>>> cars careering off into the nearest piece of scenery.

>> In rFactor it very easy to bump cars off the road and get away with it.
>> The online servers set the damage too low, hence the unrealistic driving
>> methods.
> I was doing a Late Model race a while back and it was down to a couple of
> laps to go and I was ahead of a car I was racing for position. He gave me a
> tap entering the corner and moved me up a bit and got around me. Zero
> incident points were accessed to either of us, so it can be done
> realistically if you know what you are doing. I considered it very good
> racing.

> Ed