after only two? :)
dave henrie
after only two? :)
dave henrie
> Whatever happens now, the blame falls squarely on the shoulders of Bush
and
> his supporters.
> 100,000 (and tens of thousands more mutilated and injured) and counting,
and
> for nothing but his lies about non-existent WMD, and yet some Americans
> still have the nerve to label others terrorists. If I could pluck those
> fools by the collar and instantly drop them in Iraq next to those dead,
> mangled bodies of women and children, they'd shit themselves.
> David G Fisher
> > >> You blithering idiots! You re-elected that imbecile George Bush as
> > >> your President. He's a complete moron and so are most of you!
> > So a diploma from Harvard is proof of moron-hood eh? I guess my
> > little ol Washington State University 4year degree then must equal
> > something below that, below moron.
> > Sub-Moron...I like that..
> > >> -
> > >> Don't you care what the rest of the world thinks of you? Don't you
> > >> care what impact American foreign policy has on the rest of the
> > >> planet? Does Iraq look like a success to anyone? Doesn't it bother
> > >> you that he's alienated every friend you have? What were you
> > >> thinking??? -
> > No I don't care what the rest of the world thinks. Why should I?
> > >> Prior to this, it was American policy and the American government
> > >> that was so universally hated around the world. Now it's going to be
> > >> 'Americans' we hate. More sympathy for Bin Laden... More attacks on
> > >> American institutions... More isolation. How blind can you dumb
> > >> rednecks in middle-America be, not to see this? -
> > Methinks Neville Chamberlin is alive and well. Let me get this
> > straight, BEFORE President Bush was elected, the people of the USA were
> > loved and endeared by all the world right? So WHY whould our embassies
> > be bombed when we were so loved? Why would our men stationed in Europe
> > get attack via nightclub bombing? Why would our ships be attacked? Why
> > would our civilians be ***ed? We were being killed and attacked
> > before George Bush was President, I don't believe you can point to one
> > specific policy that was implemented AFTER George Bush's innauguration
> > that would have instigated the *** of 3000 US citizens. The attacks
> > on the World Trade Towers, The Pentagon and the defenseless field in
> > Pennsyvania were all planned LONG before George Bush was elected.
> > >> If you get hit again, or your economy goes into a deep depression,
> > >> the American people will be getting exactly what they deserve!
> > >> -
> > >> <back turned>
> > If we get hit again, it will mean we face a determined foe who is
> > hiding behind the myth of religion to justify the killing of anyone they
> > choose. Tell me Zarkowie is a zealot, he's nothing more than a
***er,
> > somebody who delights in others pain...well, let me tell ya folks..the
> > world is full of those types...we have plenty right here in the good ol
> > US of A. Our economy DID suffer from the 2nd and 3rd attacks on the
> > world trade towers, but we have pulled ourselves up and out. How is the
> > French Economy doing these days? Near Double Digit unemployment last I
> > heard. The Germans? I'm sure those in the Eastern provinces are
basking
> > the glow of a healthy economy.
> > Again, blather all you want about somebody whom you appear not to have
> > much knowledge. But your blind comments about President Bush and HIS
> > polices seem to have not been carefully thought out. We are America.
We
> > are bigfatdumblazy but if not for us, how many peoples of the world
would
> > still live under oppression? How many languages would Europe have?(just
> > one Herr Knowitall) Who feeds the world? Who commits more money than
> > the rest of the planet to fight aids, hunger, devastation? Who put our
> > children's lives in harm's way to defend Europe after World War II? Who
> > stood up in Europe and said ENOUGH when the Serbs were cleansing
> > Yugoslavia? Which countries today have used the term Genocide when
> > speaking of the Sudan?(only one that I know of)...Speaking for the USA,
> > Secratary of State Colin Powell used that word when all the rest of the
> > world's hand-wringers merely said a study should be undertaken.
> > You may not like us, too bad, I've met many good folks here. I
suppose
> > your vision of America is that all near 300million are the same.
> > But again, this really does come down to one of your complaints...
> > "Don't we care what the world thinks of us?" The answer is twofold, if
> > you mean do we care what the French, Germans and Russians think of us
> > while they took BILLIONS of dollars in cash and thereby food from the
> > mouths of Iraqi children, from the Oil for Food program, quite possibly
> > the words biggest finacial scandal, then NO we do not care. If you mean
> > don't we care about how the rest of the world can help us...then
> > again...if you mean how our $$ can support the rest of the world...Maybe
> > we should put big walls up and hide behind them. I'm sure we would do
> > okay, but how would Europe, Asia, Africa and even Australia survive
> > without the constant influx of USA dollars. No my friend...we may be
> > ugly...but we are the hope and the checkbook of the world. Until China
> > fully modernizes and becomes a consumer nation, you need us much more
> > than we need you.
> > If you like to turn your back, feel free. But put your hands in your
> > pockets...the world has too long benefitted from the generosity of the
> > United States of America with little real payback.
> > Finally again, since this has been a long retort...just what single
> > policy implemented by President George W Bush forced Osama Bin Laden to
> > attack civilians in New York City?
> > Dave Henrie
> > Citizen of the United States of America and an official SUB-Moron.
Big snip
Dave - you didn't answer his post *at all*
He's asking about the current situation in Iraq and how it came to be and
you got defensive over GWB.
As an admitted cowardly dumbass, I'm looking to you as a seemingly more
intelligent Bush supporter to give me answers *why* you support him. So
far, all I've heard is that other politicians are bad. Not exactly a
revelation.
"Why then, when it appears that Al Queda has connections around the entire
globe, that we believe there was absolutely NO connection between Al Queda
and a goverment that openly supported terrorists, terrorist goals, and
terrorist's families."
Eh? Run that by me again. Al Queda have connections around the globe.
Check. There may be an Al Queda presence in IRAQ, I have no fackin clue,
but are you saying it was valid for the US to storm in because there was a
goverment that openly supported terrorists, terrorist goals, and terrorist's
families? Does motive come into it all or are all terrorists cut from the
same cloth? They're just loonies foaming at the mouth desperately looking
for a cause to give them an excuse to blow some people up?
From the point of view of the Iraqi mother who's no doubt just lost a son
this past couple of hours do we look like liberators or terrorising
invaders?
Why are our troops there again...? Still don't know.
Same thread. I meant users of other newsgroups... this thread spilled over
from another newsgroup to ours.
Dave is a regular here, so I have no bones about discussing something off
topic with him. But you're right, nothing of general interest in this branch
of the discussion. Sorry.
Jan.
=---
Praps. I dunno.
I just *feel* that with GWB at the helm, the scope for massive carnage is
that much greater. As a man who's apparently just been waiting for an
excuse to jump into Iraq since 1999, his motives scare me. I have not been
convinced that this current conflict is anything more than an effort to make
his oil buddies *even* richer, and to sentence thousands to their death in
this goal just makes me feel sick.
It's either that, or a massive desire to "beat" his old paw. Either way,
it's evil.
No, GWB is not the first to kill for money, nor will he be the last, but he
is the *current* and I don't like it. Add to that his religious right
policy and you have a man I wouldn't***on if he were on fire.
First off, I'd be impressed if you knew what kind of light I have on my
bicycle. ;-)
Secondly, you do come across as a university graduate through your use of
language, construction of your argument and wit when posting.
It's one thing to have had a highly specialized training (what kind of
physicyst are you?) and then being unable to completely explain (or put into
laymans terms) how an every day item works. It's quite another to hold an
office at the head of the largest economy in the world and then seemingly
not thinking through the consequences of invading another country. As gaffes
go, the latter is on an entirely different level.
Jan.
=---
<smallish snip>
Well I must be more moderate then that because I 'would'***on him . .
. if I could that is . . . ah, er, um . . . well it's a long story
but to cut to the chase - I'd at least throw my ileostomy bag at him. ;o)
Elrikk
It is rather scary to have someone at the helm of what should be the
ultimate democracy in the world (or at least is being marketed as such) who
doesn't seem to grasp the concept of separation between church and state.
As for the "on fire" business, seeing as, even when you need to go, the
average male produces a maximum of about 300ml of liquid, peeing is a very
inefficient way of putting out fires. So go right ahead if it makes you feel
better... he'll burn to a crisp anyway. <vbseg>
Jan.
=---
> "Dave Henrie" <daveBITEMEhen...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:Xns959C95B568517davehenriecomcastnet@216.196.97.136...
> Big snip
> Dave - you didn't answer his post *at all*
> He's asking about the current situation in Iraq and how it came to be
> and you got defensive over GWB.
> As an admitted cowardly dumbass, I'm looking to you as a seemingly
> more intelligent Bush supporter to give me answers *why* you support
> him. So far, all I've heard is that other politicians are bad. Not
> exactly a revelation.
> Eh? Run that by me again. Al Queda have connections around the
> globe. Check. There may be an Al Queda presence in IRAQ, I have no
> fackin clue, but are you saying it was valid for the US to storm in
> because there was a goverment that openly supported terrorists,
> terrorist goals, and terrorist's families? Does motive come into it
> all or are all terrorists cut from the same cloth? They're just
> loonies foaming at the mouth desperately looking for a cause to give
> them an excuse to blow some people up?
> From the point of view of the Iraqi mother who's no doubt just lost a
> son this past couple of hours do we look like liberators or
> terrorising invaders?
So Saddam is not the focus of either side. He was at least a willing
enabler or a duped pawn. His part in the global war on terror was not so
much as a defender of the faith or a menace to our way of life. He was,
tho, between the United States and those that want to kill us.
> Why are our troops there again...? Still don't know.
Finally Mcwena asks why an invasion, why not just a few Tomahawks lobbed
into his palaces? Because past administrations have shown this response
does not work. That this kind of response only emboldens people like
Osama. That kind of response says the enemy is a fly to be swatted away.
I have found that unless I swat the fly with overwhelming force, he just
keeps comming back. Brush away a fly...bzzzz...brush him away
again...bzzzz. We had spent the last 20 years condoning the murder of
Western soldiers and civilians. Should be spend the next 20 years in an
equally fruitless effort?
Addressing your concern of GWB's religious nature. I admire a man who
can stand up and profess his faith. I cannot believe that folks who
tremble at the very mention of his faith think he takes commands from God.
GWB is not Joan of Arc, not religious for it's convienance or it's
dominance. He has accepted a philosophy that promotes love of one's
neighbor as much as one's self. I feel no threat from such a man.
It may suprise you to know I have not been in a Church in close to 30
years, that I have no affliation with religion, that I also have no
political party I call my own. My view of politics is jaded at best and I
view all parties with suspicion. Why did more Americans vote for this man
than any other candidate in history? I do not know, but I'll break a rule
and tell you why I voted for him. When asked in the Debates about their
wives, I found something to admire. George Bush loves his wife with all
his soul. He loves her beyond any measure of himself. John Kerry
apparently could not say that and certainly did not say that. If I am to
place my fate into the hands of a man, give me the man that stands up for
those he loves and loves those he defends. John Kerry's policies would not
differ much from Bush's when you look at the total policy package, but the
soul that loves so powerfully gives me reasurrance. Give me that man
rather than some warmed over partnership. Simply put, GWB gave me the
impression he had much much more to fight for than JK.
Dave Henrie
(did i flounder into platitudes?)
Whose concept? The writers of the Declaration of Independance and the
Constitution, or those that feel those documents are merely legal notepads
with which to justify any change from our founders intentions?
yeah but gimmie a few beers and I can still produce an overwhelming
spray.lol.
dh
I have a so-called education and worked in politics here in Canada for a
number of years, so I have a bit of experience with these things.
Marc
Keep dreaming.
The majority of Bush voters still believe he did. Brilliant people. Should
they even be allowed to vote when they are that stupid?
Typical American arrogance. Who the *** are we to make them leave their own
homes when the only reason their city is in chaos is because WE illegally
invaded their country?
Quick stat: 14 children are gunned down every day in this country (compared
to about 14 men, women, and children in Britain in an entire year), and yet
we lecture others on how to be good parents.
Iraqi's who do not want an army of illegal invaders occupying their county
are defedning themselves. A small % of fighters from other countries have
joined them. Allies if you will. Just like the US has allies.
> > Why are our troops there again...? Still don't know.
Wow, Bush has brainwashed you really well. Fact is, OBL is kicking Bush's
ass in every respect, and the so called terrorists are healthy and spread
out all over the world, watching Bush validate all their claims against the
US. Their organization is getting stronger daily, Bush has been their best
recruiter, and they are patiently waiting to get their revenge for the
100,000 we've slaughtered in our illegal invasion based on lies. All we are
doing in Iraq is killing innocent Iraqi resistance fighters, and a small %
of radical Muslims who've come from all over the Muslim world to join them.
If you think all the so called terrorists have been drawn into Iraq, and
we've killed most of them, then you live in a dream world.
Just wondering Dave, what goes through your head when Bush mentions how
Saddam was a monster for using chemical weapons in the past, but then
conveniently fails to mention we sold them to him, and assisted him in using
them? Doesn't that make us monsters as well? Wasn't OBL an ally of ours at
one point as well?
No, the US foreign policy hasn't been misguided. We are America. We are
good. Apple pie, wave the flag, and all that crap. The world is hating us
right now just because they are.......jealous? Right? The terrorists hate us
because they "hate our freedom", right?
LOL.
He's a former coke head and drunk who is now a born again Chrisitian who
thinks God guides his decisions. He called this war a "crusade".
Screw him and his religion.***his radical Chrisitian supporters. I hope
we have a civil war in this country before we let any of those Bible
thumping wack jobs like DeLay have their way.
> Why did more Americans vote for this man
I love this bullshit Bush spin on the election. An historic amount voted for
Kerry too. The answer is because turnout was so heavy
It was the narrowest win for an incumbent president since 1916!
BTW, love those new christian senators from the south. What did they say?
They want to make it a law that ***s and single mothers can't teach in
public schools? Brilliant minds we just elected to the Senate.
<tears> Who gives a shit. They should get together and keep track of their
drunken kids.
Are you ***ing kidding me with this garbage?
Did you really write this stuff?
GWB gives me the impression we're all ***ed.
Yes.
--
David G Fisher
--
David G Fisher
> > The world's #1 terrorist is George Bush. He's a liar, a brainwashed
***en
> > Bible thumper, a criminal, an idiot, and a worldwide embarrassment.
> Everyone
> > on the planet outside of the 50 million "m***values" saviors and flag
> > wavers who voted for him sees that. Hopefully the supporters, friends
and
> > loved ones of the 100,000 innocent men, women, and children he's
> slaughtered
> > in Iraq will get equal revenge on him and his terrorist organization.
> > Whatever happens now, the blame falls squarely on the shoulders of Bush
> and
> > his supporters.
> > 100,000 (and tens of thousands more mutilated and injured) and counting,
> and
> > for nothing but his lies about non-existent WMD, and yet some Americans
> > still have the nerve to label others terrorists. If I could pluck those
> > fools by the collar and instantly drop them in Iraq next to those dead,
> > mangled bodies of women and children, they'd shit themselves.
> > David G Fisher
> > > >> You blithering idiots! You re-elected that imbecile George Bush as
> > > >> your President. He's a complete moron and so are most of you!
> > > So a diploma from Harvard is proof of moron-hood eh? I guess my
> > > little ol Washington State University 4year degree then must equal
> > > something below that, below moron.
> > > Sub-Moron...I like that..
> > > >> -
> > > >> Don't you care what the rest of the world thinks of you? Don't you
> > > >> care what impact American foreign policy has on the rest of the
> > > >> planet? Does Iraq look like a success to anyone? Doesn't it
bother
> > > >> you that he's alienated every friend you have? What were you
> > > >> thinking??? -
> > > No I don't care what the rest of the world thinks. Why should I?
> > > >> Prior to this, it was American policy and the American government
> > > >> that was so universally hated around the world. Now it's going to
be
> > > >> 'Americans' we hate. More sympathy for Bin Laden... More attacks
on
> > > >> American institutions... More isolation. How blind can you dumb
> > > >> rednecks in middle-America be, not to see this? -
> > > Methinks Neville Chamberlin is alive and well. Let me get this
> > > straight, BEFORE President Bush was elected, the people of the USA
were
> > > loved and endeared by all the world right? So WHY whould our
embassies
> > > be bombed when we were so loved? Why would our men stationed in
Europe
> > > get attack via nightclub bombing? Why would our ships be attacked?
Why
> > > would our civilians be ***ed? We were being killed and attacked
> > > before George Bush was President, I don't believe you can point to one
> > > specific policy that was implemented AFTER George Bush's innauguration
> > > that would have instigated the *** of 3000 US citizens. The
attacks
> > > on the World Trade Towers, The Pentagon and the defenseless field in
> > > Pennsyvania were all planned LONG before George Bush was elected.
> > > >> If you get hit again, or your economy goes into a deep depression,
> > > >> the American people will be getting exactly what they deserve!
> > > >> -
> > > >> <back turned>
> > > If we get hit again, it will mean we face a determined foe who is
> > > hiding behind the myth of religion to justify the killing of anyone
they
> > > choose. Tell me Zarkowie is a zealot, he's nothing more than a
> ***er,
> > > somebody who delights in others pain...well, let me tell ya folks..the
> > > world is full of those types...we have plenty right here in the good
ol
> > > US of A. Our economy DID suffer from the 2nd and 3rd attacks on the
> > > world trade towers, but we have pulled ourselves up and out. How is
the
> > > French Economy doing these days? Near Double Digit unemployment last
I
> > > heard. The Germans? I'm sure those in the Eastern provinces are
> basking
> > > the glow of a healthy economy.
> > > Again, blather all you want about somebody whom you appear not to
have
> > > much knowledge. But your blind comments about President Bush and HIS
> > > polices seem to have not been carefully thought out. We are America.
> We
> > > are bigfatdumblazy but if not for us, how many peoples of the world
> would
> > > still live under oppression? How many languages would Europe
have?(just
> > > one Herr Knowitall) Who feeds the world? Who commits more money than
> > > the rest of the planet to fight aids, hunger, devastation? Who put
our
> > > children's lives in harm's way to defend Europe after World War II?
Who
> > > stood up in Europe and said ENOUGH when the Serbs were cleansing
> > > Yugoslavia? Which countries today have used the term Genocide when
> > > speaking of the Sudan?(only one that I know of)...Speaking for the
USA,
> > > Secratary of State Colin Powell used that word when all the rest of
the
> > > world's hand-wringers merely said a study should be undertaken.
> > > You may not like us, too bad, I've met many good folks here. I
> suppose
> > > your vision of America is that all near 300million are the same.
> > > But again, this really does come down to one of your complaints...
> > > "Don't we care what the world thinks of us?" The answer is twofold,
if
> > > you mean do we care what the French, Germans and Russians think of us
> > > while they took BILLIONS of dollars in cash and thereby food from the
> > > mouths of Iraqi children, from the Oil for Food program, quite
possibly
> > > the words biggest finacial scandal, then NO we do not care. If you
mean
> > > don't we care about how the rest of the world can help us...then
> > > again...if you mean how our $$ can support the rest of the
world...Maybe
> > > we should put big walls up and hide behind them. I'm sure we would do
> > > okay, but how would Europe, Asia, Africa and even Australia survive
> > > without the constant influx of USA dollars. No my friend...we may be
> > > ugly...but we are the hope and the checkbook of the world. Until
China
> > > fully modernizes and becomes a consumer nation, you need us much more
> > > than we need you.
> > > If you like to turn your back, feel free. But put your hands in
your
> > > pockets...the world has too long benefitted from the generosity of the
> > > United States of America with little real payback.
> > > Finally again, since this has been a long retort...just what single
> > > policy implemented by President George W Bush forced Osama Bin Laden
to
> > > attack civilians in New York City?
> > > Dave Henrie
> > > Citizen of the United States of America and an official SUB-Moron.