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Hi all,

        I know I have seen the answer to this question, but can't remember
where.  Where can I get the patch which makes the slowdown on the grass
etc. less exaggerated??  Thanks for your time.

                Mike

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I think you got this wrong: there ain't never been a particular patch for
this problem, but there is a new 1.09 patch you should install. I didn't
have much time for testing, but I think that I noticed an improved frame
rate. I can't tell you anything about the grass issue. Why don't you just
stay on the track? ;))

Nick

later
Sean

Huh that's strange. I've never experienced a crash on my system running a
Monster II. I do notice an improvement while driving on grass. Are yo sure
your running ver 1.09 ?

I haven't crashed once with F1RS and the Voodoo2.

Did you do a full install? Because if you didn't - then the menus are
loading more from CD-Rom, and if your CD-Rom drive has hardware
problems, or you have bad drivers, then this can be causing the
crashes during the menu.

Marc.

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Anyway, there is a BIG difference with V1.09 driving on the grass...

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I agree. After playing with it a bit I still have the green grass from
hell problem. For me it ruins the sim since even at the easy level I just
can't do very well. Maybe I'm just a lousy driver.

Vamp

I would say that pre-1.09 the grass slowed you down as much as sand in
F1RS, there was no difference between the stickiness of the two. Now
there is a big difference IMHO.

First of all I don't agree with that you hit a brick wall if you just
touch the grass with one tire, in fact that didn't happen in pre-1.09
either. It was when you entered the grass with at least two tires for
more than a second or so, then it really mattered a lot.

Second, did you see how Hakkinen lost pole position in Imola time race
only because one of his tires barely touched the grass on the final
straight? He was well before Coulthart's time before that, but slowed
down considerably because of the incident.

Judging by that incident, if Ubisoft or any company for that matter
wanted to make their off-track racing as realistic as possible, they
should make it so that when you touch the grass, your car starts
rumbling a lot and messes up your steering, thus slowing you down
considerably. That's what seemed to happen to Hakkinen when he barely
touched the grass.

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% First of all I don't agree with that you hit a brick wall if you just
% touch the grass with one tire, in fact that didn't happen in pre-1.09
% either. It was when you entered the grass with at least two tires for
% more than a second or so, then it really mattered a lot.

My sticky grass must be more sticky than yours.  There are plenty of
places that I have big time slowdowns, when I only have partial tires on
the grass.  The times, it really seems to show up is when I am riding up
on the curbs exiting a turn that leads to a long straight.  While most
of the tire is still on the curbing, if part of the tires are "over" the
grass (more than likely not really touching it), the car goes into an
immediate slowdown.  

% Second, did you see how Hakkinen lost pole position in Imola time race
% only because one of his tires barely touched the grass on the final
% straight? He was well before Coulthart's time before that, but slowed
% down considerably because of the incident.

Who/what slowed him down?  I would hazard to guess that Hakkinen slowed
himself down.  When one gets on the grass the best thing to do is lift
and gently steer back onto the track.  The grass (if one is only just
touching it) isn't going to slow you down, in fact (unless it's really
tall grass), it will actually speed you up.  This is because you loose
grip.  

% Judging by that incident, if Ubisoft or any company for that matter
% wanted to make their off-track racing as realistic as possible, they
% should make it so that when you touch the grass, your car starts
% rumbling a lot and messes up your steering, thus slowing you down
% considerably. That's what seemed to happen to Hakkinen when he barely
% touched the grass.

Again, judging by one particular incident, which may in fact have been a
driver reaction and not a result of "sticky grass", I would hope that
Ubisoft and any other company throughly investigate the phsyics before
they make such a rash programming choice.

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Please explain how losing grip speeds you up?

Trips

Trips wrote

Well, I'm not a big techy here, but that is what I learned (thanks to
Burnout, even if I don't like it I learned alot about setups and motors).

More grip = less HP
Less grip = More HP

In Burnout, you go slower (well it's over-done but you understand the point)
if you do Burnout stages, since you have better grip and less Horsepower.

I think this is all because of friction.  I have one of those racing books
by Ascari (well 2 books, 1 on racing preparation and 1 on racing physics,
awesome 1960's photos (well it was done in 1968) ), so I'll check the real
equation about it.  There is mass involved, air friction, aerodynamics,
grass traction, track traction, tire performance, etc, etc, etc... But I
know there is a torque in this, and at a relative speed you will start
having more grip on grass than asphalt. There is a coefficient (sp?) of
friction there involved a lot in the calculation.

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% >
% > The grass (if one is only just
% > touching it) isn't going to slow you down, in fact (unless it's really
% > tall grass), it will actually speed you up.  This is because you loose
% > grip.

% Please explain how losing grip speeds you up?

Believe it or not, even traveling on the tarmac at 200+ mph there is
friction involved (yep that's the grip).  Now if the car suddenly finds
its way on a non-grip surface (ice, water, and to some extent grass),
the friction is gone and the car will speed up.  However, there are some
down sides to no grip.  Control is certainly one of them, but from a
certain point the car will actually lose speed, since it can't get grip.

What doesn't seem to happen in F1RS, is the initial loss of control and
increased speed when running on grass.  What comes into play almost
immediately is the fact that the car can't gain/maintain speed that is
based on grip.  So in a sense, UbiSoft has it half right.

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Mmm. I think you're right to a point - stick a set of skinny tyres on an
F1 car and it will have a faster straight line speed due to reduced
friction. But when that friction is reduced simply by going on to a
slippery surface it will just cause wheel spin and thus slow you down.
Although the momentum that a F1 car has at 200mph is enough to make it
slow down slowly.

What I find in F1RS is that I get a tyre on the grass and immediately go
into a spin, which I guess is what should happen. Annoying though. GP2
was more forgiving.

Jem