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by **Haqsa** » Tue, 09 Sep 2003 03:13:18

Wow that was brutal. I guess there must have been some starting line
problems, because I somehow shot out in front of everybody and led the first
8 laps. Then I screwed up bad and never got it back. Twice into the pits
to fix wings and the handling never really came back. I finished 2 laps
down. Really wanted to just drop but needed the practice and didn't want to
deprive the one guy who was left of an honest victory. Congrats to Josh
Boudreau, who won, set fastest lap, and had the wisdom to always be near the
pits when he spun. ;o)

by **Josh Boudrea** » Tue, 09 Sep 2003 03:33:21

I guess I had all the luck. At the start we we're pretty evenly matched,
hasquau... i was expecting a very close finish with you.

Thanks to Eldred for the server, as always. Perhaps next race we should
consider putting the damage at something like 30-40%? Maybe that way more
than half the field will survive the start.

by **Haqsa** » Tue, 09 Sep 2003 03:57:52

Yes I would vote for that too. Some damage needs to be on, but maybe a
little less than the current setting. I just watched the replay and it was
total carnage, wings everywhere. There is either something very strange
with the damage model or Eldred was running a very odd setup, because at one
point his front wing just fell off in the middle of the track for no
apparent reason. It was somewhere around lap 4 I think, right before we
tangled just ahead of the pit entrance. The reason I overslowed for that
turn is I was avoiding his wing, which was in the middle of the track. If
you have the replay, find that spot, switch to a view of the Williams, get
an external view (PgUp key), rotate around with the keypad arrows to see his
car from the front, then rewind a bit to see how Eldred got there.
Damnedest thing. Decreasing damage might prevent that kind of silliness.

by **David G Fishe** » Tue, 09 Sep 2003 04:33:12

One of the drivers in front at the s/f line hit the speed limiter instead of
the launch control and when the lights went out, I went, but they didn't. I
swerved to go around, and while avoiding Neil I ended up losing the car and
my rear wing. Race over. Neil and another driver were out a few corners
later.

All that practice time down the toilet. :-)

David G Fisher

by **Haqsa** » Tue, 09 Sep 2003 04:49:36

Aha. FWIW I find I get a better launch without launch control. I use low
TC and choose first gear carefully, launch at about 30% throttle and upshift
to second as soon as I hear the revs come up. Works okay for me. In the
replay you appeared to have gotten a very good launch, do use launch control
or traction control?

BTW how much wing were you guys running? I went conservative. The FIA
circuit map shows max speed of 300 kph and lap times of 1:27 or so. 300 kph
is achievable with full downforce, although I never saw 1:27. :o) The
included Australia setup has wings at 47 and the in-game track map shows top
speeds of around 310 or so and a target lap time of 1:28. I tried those
settings and ended up slower by a second or so. Well it was a little but
inconclusive because I was having troubles with my throttle pedal at the
time also. Anyway it seemed prudent to go with higher downforce, but when I
watched a few people in practice it seemed like most of you were hitting 309
or so on the front straight, and some of you were running 1:29's. So just
wondering if I went the wrong way with my setup choice.

by **Spudste** » Tue, 09 Sep 2003 05:48:58

I was running 46 wing front and rear when I turned the 29.XX.

Sorry again for my***up at the start guys.

Spud.

> Aha. FWIW I find I get a better launch without launch control. I use low
> TC and choose first gear carefully, launch at about 30% throttle and
upshift
> to second as soon as I hear the revs come up. Works okay for me. In the
> replay you appeared to have gotten a very good launch, do use launch
control
> or traction control?

> BTW how much wing were you guys running? I went conservative. The FIA
> circuit map shows max speed of 300 kph and lap times of 1:27 or so. 300
kph
> is achievable with full downforce, although I never saw 1:27. :o) The
> included Australia setup has wings at 47 and the in-game track map shows
top
> speeds of around 310 or so and a target lap time of 1:28. I tried those
> settings and ended up slower by a second or so. Well it was a little but
> inconclusive because I was having troubles with my throttle pedal at the
> time also. Anyway it seemed prudent to go with higher downforce, but when
I
> watched a few people in practice it seemed like most of you were hitting
309
> or so on the front straight, and some of you were running 1:29's. So just
> wondering if I went the wrong way with my setup choice.

> > One of the drivers in front at the s/f line hit the speed limiter
instead
> of
> > the launch control and when the lights went out, I went, but they
didn't.
> I
> > swerved to go around, and while avoiding Neil I ended up losing the car
> and
> > my rear wing. Race over. Neil and another driver were out a few corners
> > later.

> > All that practice time down the toilet. :-)

> > David G Fisher

by **Haqsa** » Tue, 09 Sep 2003 09:51:09

Well I guess there is something about F1 that I just still don't get. I
tried setting the wings to 46 and I can't get below 1:32. I ran a 1:30 with
full wings. With wings at 46 I am losing more time through the high speed
corners than I can make up on the straights. Just out of curiosity Spudster
have you tried full wings? Maybe you would be running 1:27's if you did.

by **Spudste** » Tue, 09 Sep 2003 11:05:29

No, didn't try full wing. I have a setup that works for most high-downforce
tracks that I used today. I might be able to tweak more out of Australia
with a custom setup.
Spud.

> Well I guess there is something about F1 that I just still don't get. I
> tried setting the wings to 46 and I can't get below 1:32. I ran a 1:30
with
> full wings. With wings at 46 I am losing more time through the high speed
> corners than I can make up on the straights. Just out of curiosity
Spudster
> have you tried full wings? Maybe you would be running 1:27's if you did.

> > I was running 46 wing front and rear when I turned the 29.XX.

by **Eldre** » Tue, 09 Sep 2003 11:57:56

writes:

I have *yet* to run one of these things without drama. Today it had its roots
in my hard drive crash. I had to reload the damn game, and I'd forgotten about
that. I run home, get the server started, then look for the F1C CD. It took
me a good 10 minutes to find it, then another 15-20 to load it. Jumped in the
game, then I had to set all my control options. That took a while, because
they didn't want to 'stick' the first couple times. I didn't get any practice
laps because of that. So when qual started, I went out, and discovered that I
was only getting 16 fps. Not good, because I couldn't control the car. The
best I could run was 1:59. I couldn't exit to change the options because qual
was closed, so I wouldn't have been able to get back in. And there's no way to
change your graphics options once you're in a race. F'king stupid, IMO.

Anyway, when the race started I was looking at the server trying to get that
car off the track. So, that cost me about 20-25 seconds as my car was
stationary while the field rocketed away. When I finally got going, I spun
somwehere, knocked off the front wing. Pitted for a replacement, spun again.
Knocked off the back wing this time, kept going. Snap spin somewhere
else(guessing because of the rear wing), knocked off the RF wheel. Limped back
to the pits - end of race.

I ran a local race after I'd adjusted my graphics to give me 31 fps. I
immediately went out and ran a 1:47. Still nothing special, but a big
improvement without changing anything else.

Why do I torture myself by running these games again...? Sigh...

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by **Eldre** » Tue, 09 Sep 2003 11:57:55

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Target time? I don't remember seeing that...

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by **Eldre** » Tue, 09 Sep 2003 11:57:56

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We tangled?!? I never even saw another car close to me, or felt any impact.
When I heard you guys coming I always pulled off the track to let you by.
Seems strange that I would neither see nor hear a car that I apparently crashed
into? I'm getting tired of this.
Sorry, man - obviously unintentional.

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by **Josh Boudrea** » Tue, 09 Sep 2003 12:58:15

No, Eldred. You didn't bump anyone. I bumped into the back of haqsau near
the pit entrance when we went by you. Haqsau had slowed down a lot to avoid
some front wing debris on the track.

by **Josh Boudrea** » Tue, 09 Sep 2003 13:16:42

Yes, I agree, the EA F1 titles totally suck for dedicated servers. Do you
have any kids/wife/buddy that can drive the server car off the track while
you rocket away in your own car? :)

Yes, a very big improvement. I wouldn't have been to drive with 16fps
either. Now consider having been able to run those practice laps. You
probably could have brough that down in the 1:30's, which would have been
competitive.

Sorry you're having a hard time, but when you get the hang of driving the
cars its a blast.

by **Josh Boudrea** » Tue, 09 Sep 2003 13:19:56

There's a button on the bottom that displays a track map with all the
corners and what gear it's normally taken in. At the bottom of that screen
there's also a target lap time for the circuit.

by **Dave Henri** » Tue, 09 Sep 2003 21:45:04

I swerved to go around, and while avoiding Neil I
Granted you would have had a a whole lap to drive around wingless, and
you would have had a long pitstop, but you can repair wing damage with F1c.
Certainly any hope of competing with the leaders would be gone, but your
race could have gone on...

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