rec.autos.simulators

> I see people getting into a tizzy about this on multiple newgroups.
> The solution is SO simple... You don't buy the card for $600.
> Wait until the price is right for you. I made the mistake of paying
> $200 for a Sierra Screamin' 3D. Within 4 months, they were going for
> 99 bucks.
> I now simply wait for the cards to come down to what I want to spend.
> I have since purchased a Voodoo2, a TNT, a TNT2, and a GeForce2 MX for
> under $130 each, which each still had plenty of *** life left in
> them.

> I'll buy the GeForce 3 when it's under $200 (probably about 9 months
> from release). By then the drivers are in their second or third
> revision and you know all about which older sims have problems with
> the new card.

> If you feel obligated to stay on the bleeding edge, you gotta quit
> whining take your ass-pounding like a man. ;-)

> Tim

> >Am I the only one a little peeved at Nvidia's pricing of the GeForce 3?
From
> >what I hear, the card manufacturers are looking to release the cards at
> >$500-600 US!!! To make matters worse, Nvidia is using under-clocked chips
to
> >facilitate the "fall refresh". At this rate, no wonder PC *** is
falling
> >by the wayside. Every time we look around, developers are dropping plans
for
> >a PC version. The good thing for us is that certain types of games will
> >always be better on a PC. Hell, I just spent about $600 US last year
> >updating my rig (GF2, CPU, RAM) to play the latest sim racers (not
including
> >my MSFF wheel)!! Who can afford to buy a $500+ US video card every year
or
> >two AND keep their processor current at the same time?

> >With the impending release of the X-Box (which has a 250Mhz Nvidia chip
AND
> >64 MB DDR btw) I'm beginning to feel more and more like I've been a beta
> >tester for Microsoft. I would have no problem with video cards coming out
at
> >$300 US but the current SRP is ridiculous. I'm sure Nvidia will justify
it
> >by saying 'the development costs are huge for this GPU'. Right, like MS
> >didn't cover most of those and the millions of GPU's they'll ship in
X-Boxes
> >won't cover the rest.

> >I guess this is the aftermath of 3Dfx closing its doors. No competition.
Our
> >only hope for 'reasonably' priced cards in the future is ATI. If they
fail
> >to keep Nvidia honest, PC *** will either become a very exclusive club
or
> >a club with Grand Prix 3 quality graphics ( in other words, 3 year old 3D
> >engines).

> >My $.02,

> >Michael M

> I see people getting into a tizzy about this on multiple newgroups.
> The solution is SO simple... You don't buy the card for $600.
> Wait until the price is right for you. I made the mistake of paying
> $200 for a Sierra Screamin' 3D. Within 4 months, they were going for
> 99 bucks.
> I now simply wait for the cards to come down to what I want to spend.
> I have since purchased a Voodoo2, a TNT, a TNT2, and a GeForce2 MX for
> under $130 each, which each still had plenty of *** life left in
> them.

> I'll buy the GeForce 3 when it's under $200 (probably about 9 months
> from release). By then the drivers are in their second or third
> revision and you know all about which older sims have problems with
> the new card.

> If you feel obligated to stay on the bleeding edge, you gotta quit
> whining take your ass-pounding like a man. ;-)

> Tim

> >Am I the only one a little peeved at Nvidia's pricing of the GeForce 3?
From
> >what I hear, the card manufacturers are looking to release the cards at
> >$500-600 US!!! To make matters worse, Nvidia is using under-clocked chips
to
> >facilitate the "fall refresh". At this rate, no wonder PC *** is
falling
> >by the wayside. Every time we look around, developers are dropping plans
for
> >a PC version. The good thing for us is that certain types of games will
> >always be better on a PC. Hell, I just spent about $600 US last year
> >updating my rig (GF2, CPU, RAM) to play the latest sim racers (not
including
> >my MSFF wheel)!! Who can afford to buy a $500+ US video card every year
or
> >two AND keep their processor current at the same time?

> >With the impending release of the X-Box (which has a 250Mhz Nvidia chip
AND
> >64 MB DDR btw) I'm beginning to feel more and more like I've been a beta
> >tester for Microsoft. I would have no problem with video cards coming out
at
> >$300 US but the current SRP is ridiculous. I'm sure Nvidia will justify
it
> >by saying 'the development costs are huge for this GPU'. Right, like MS
> >didn't cover most of those and the millions of GPU's they'll ship in
X-Boxes
> >won't cover the rest.

> >I guess this is the aftermath of 3Dfx closing its doors. No competition.
Our
> >only hope for 'reasonably' priced cards in the future is ATI. If they
fail
> >to keep Nvidia honest, PC *** will either become a very exclusive club
or
> >a club with Grand Prix 3 quality graphics ( in other words, 3 year old 3D
> >engines).

> >My $.02,

> >Michael M

>my 2p

> I see people getting into a tizzy about this on multiple newgroups.
> The solution is SO simple... You don't buy the card for $600.
> Wait until the price is right for you. I made the mistake of paying
> $200 for a Sierra Screamin' 3D. Within 4 months, they were going for
> 99 bucks.
> I now simply wait for the cards to come down to what I want to spend.
> I have since purchased a Voodoo2, a TNT, a TNT2, and a GeForce2 MX for
> under $130 each, which each still had plenty of *** life left in
> them.

> I'll buy the GeForce 3 when it's under $200 (probably about 9 months
> from release). By then the drivers are in their second or third
> revision and you know all about which older sims have problems with
> the new card.

> If you feel obligated to stay on the bleeding edge, you gotta quit
> whining take your ass-pounding like a man. ;-)

> Tim

> >Am I the only one a little peeved at Nvidia's pricing of the GeForce 3?
From
> >what I hear, the card manufacturers are looking to release the cards at
> >$500-600 US!!! To make matters worse, Nvidia is using under-clocked chips
to
> >facilitate the "fall refresh". At this rate, no wonder PC *** is
falling
> >by the wayside. Every time we look around, developers are dropping plans
for
> >a PC version. The good thing for us is that certain types of games will
> >always be better on a PC. Hell, I just spent about $600 US last year
> >updating my rig (GF2, CPU, RAM) to play the latest sim racers (not
including
> >my MSFF wheel)!! Who can afford to buy a $500+ US video card every year
or
> >two AND keep their processor current at the same time?

> >With the impending release of the X-Box (which has a 250Mhz Nvidia chip
AND
> >64 MB DDR btw) I'm beginning to feel more and more like I've been a beta
> >tester for Microsoft. I would have no problem with video cards coming out
at
> >$300 US but the current SRP is ridiculous. I'm sure Nvidia will justify
it
> >by saying 'the development costs are huge for this GPU'. Right, like MS
> >didn't cover most of those and the millions of GPU's they'll ship in
X-Boxes
> >won't cover the rest.

> >I guess this is the aftermath of 3Dfx closing its doors. No competition.
Our
> >only hope for 'reasonably' priced cards in the future is ATI. If they
fail
> >to keep Nvidia honest, PC *** will either become a very exclusive club
or
> >a club with Grand Prix 3 quality graphics ( in other words, 3 year old 3D
> >engines).

> >My $.02,

> >Michael M

> I see people getting into a tizzy about this on multiple newgroups.
> The solution is SO simple... You don't buy the card for $600.
> Wait until the price is right for you. I made the mistake of paying
> $200 for a Sierra Screamin' 3D. Within 4 months, they were going for
> 99 bucks.
> I now simply wait for the cards to come down to what I want to spend.
> I have since purchased a Voodoo2, a TNT, a TNT2, and a GeForce2 MX for
> under $130 each, which each still had plenty of *** life left in
> them.

> I'll buy the GeForce 3 when it's under $200 (probably about 9 months
> from release). By then the drivers are in their second or third
> revision and you know all about which older sims have problems with
> the new card.

> If you feel obligated to stay on the bleeding edge, you gotta quit
> whining take your ass-pounding like a man. ;-)

> Tim

> >Am I the only one a little peeved at Nvidia's pricing of the GeForce 3?
From
> >what I hear, the card manufacturers are looking to release the cards at
> >$500-600 US!!! To make matters worse, Nvidia is using under-clocked chips
to
> >facilitate the "fall refresh". At this rate, no wonder PC *** is
falling
> >by the wayside. Every time we look around, developers are dropping plans
for
> >a PC version. The good thing for us is that certain types of games will
> >always be better on a PC. Hell, I just spent about $600 US last year
> >updating my rig (GF2, CPU, RAM) to play the latest sim racers (not
including
> >my MSFF wheel)!! Who can afford to buy a $500+ US video card every year
or
> >two AND keep their processor current at the same time?

> >With the impending release of the X-Box (which has a 250Mhz Nvidia chip
AND
> >64 MB DDR btw) I'm beginning to feel more and more like I've been a beta
> >tester for Microsoft. I would have no problem with video cards coming out
at
> >$300 US but the current SRP is ridiculous. I'm sure Nvidia will justify
it
> >by saying 'the development costs are huge for this GPU'. Right, like MS
> >didn't cover most of those and the millions of GPU's they'll ship in
X-Boxes
> >won't cover the rest.

> >I guess this is the aftermath of 3Dfx closing its doors. No competition.
Our
> >only hope for 'reasonably' priced cards in the future is ATI. If they
fail
> >to keep Nvidia honest, PC *** will either become a very exclusive club
or
> >a club with Grand Prix 3 quality graphics ( in other words, 3 year old 3D
> >engines).

> >My $.02,

> >Michael M

> |   Hi Tim...you don't by anychance still have that
> | old Sierra card do you?   I gonna build an ICR2 3d box someday.
> | Need the 1st generation Rendition card to get the most out
> | of it..
> | dave henrie


> | >
> | > I see people getting into a tizzy about this on multiple newgroups.
> | > The solution is SO simple... You don't buy the card for $600.
> | > Wait until the price is right for you. I made the mistake of paying
> | > $200 for a Sierra Screamin' 3D. Within 4 months, they were going for
> | > 99 bucks.
> | > I now simply wait for the cards to come down to what I want to spend.
> | > I have since purchased a Voodoo2, a TNT, a TNT2, and a GeForce2 MX for
> | > under $130 each, which each still had plenty of *** life left in
> | > them.
> | >
> | > I'll buy the GeForce 3 when it's under $200 (probably about 9 months
> | > from release). By then the drivers are in their second or third
> | > revision and you know all about which older sims have problems with
> | > the new card.
> | >
> | > If you feel obligated to stay on the bleeding edge, you gotta quit
> | > whining take your ass-pounding like a man. ;-)
> | >
> | > Tim
> | >


> | >
> | > >Am I the only one a little peeved at Nvidia's pricing of the GeForce
3?
> | From
> | > >what I hear, the card manufacturers are looking to release the cards
at
> | > >$500-600 US!!! To make matters worse, Nvidia is using under-clocked
> chips
> | to
> | > >facilitate the "fall refresh". At this rate, no wonder PC *** is
> | falling
> | > >by the wayside. Every time we look around, developers are dropping
> plans
> | for
> | > >a PC version. The good thing for us is that certain types of games
will
> | > >always be better on a PC. Hell, I just spent about $600 US last year
> | > >updating my rig (GF2, CPU, RAM) to play the latest sim racers (not
> | including
> | > >my MSFF wheel)!! Who can afford to buy a $500+ US video card every
year
> | or
> | > >two AND keep their processor current at the same time?
> | > >
> | > >With the impending release of the X-Box (which has a 250Mhz Nvidia
chip
> | AND
> | > >64 MB DDR btw) I'm beginning to feel more and more like I've been a
> beta
> | > >tester for Microsoft. I would have no problem with video cards coming
> out
> | at
> | > >$300 US but the current SRP is ridiculous. I'm sure Nvidia will
justify
> | it
> | > >by saying 'the development costs are huge for this GPU'. Right, like
MS
> | > >didn't cover most of those and the millions of GPU's they'll ship in
> | X-Boxes
> | > >won't cover the rest.
> | > >
> | > >I guess this is the aftermath of 3Dfx closing its doors. No
> competition.
> | Our
> | > >only hope for 'reasonably' priced cards in the future is ATI. If they
> | fail
> | > >to keep Nvidia honest, PC *** will either become a very exclusive
> club
> | or
> | > >a club with Grand Prix 3 quality graphics ( in other words, 3 year
old
> 3D
> | > >engines).
> | > >
> | > >My $.02,
> | > >
> | > >Michael M
> | > >
> | > >
> | > >
> | >
> |

> > I see people getting into a tizzy about this on multiple newgroups.
> > The solution is SO simple... You don't buy the card for $600.
> > Wait until the price is right for you. I made the mistake of paying
> > $200 for a Sierra Screamin' 3D. Within 4 months, they were going for
> > 99 bucks.
> > I now simply wait for the cards to come down to what I want to spend.
> > I have since purchased a Voodoo2, a TNT, a TNT2, and a GeForce2 MX for
> > under $130 each, which each still had plenty of *** life left in
> > them.

> > I'll buy the GeForce 3 when it's under $200 (probably about 9 months
> > from release). By then the drivers are in their second or third
> > revision and you know all about which older sims have problems with
> > the new card.

> > If you feel obligated to stay on the bleeding edge, you gotta quit
> > whining take your ass-pounding like a man. ;-)

> > Tim

> > >Am I the only one a little peeved at Nvidia's pricing of the GeForce 3?
> From
> > >what I hear, the card manufacturers are looking to release the cards at
> > >$500-600 US!!! To make matters worse, Nvidia is using under-clocked
chips
> to
> > >facilitate the "fall refresh". At this rate, no wonder PC *** is
> falling
> > >by the wayside. Every time we look around, developers are dropping
plans
> for
> > >a PC version. The good thing for us is that certain types of games will
> > >always be better on a PC. Hell, I just spent about $600 US last year
> > >updating my rig (GF2, CPU, RAM) to play the latest sim racers (not
> including
> > >my MSFF wheel)!! Who can afford to buy a $500+ US video card every year
> or
> > >two AND keep their processor current at the same time?

> > >With the impending release of the X-Box (which has a 250Mhz Nvidia chip
> AND
> > >64 MB DDR btw) I'm beginning to feel more and more like I've been a
beta
> > >tester for Microsoft. I would have no problem with video cards coming
out
> at
> > >$300 US but the current SRP is ridiculous. I'm sure Nvidia will justify
> it
> > >by saying 'the development costs are huge for this GPU'. Right, like MS
> > >didn't cover most of those and the millions of GPU's they'll ship in
> X-Boxes
> > >won't cover the rest.

> > >I guess this is the aftermath of 3Dfx closing its doors. No
competition.
> Our
> > >only hope for 'reasonably' priced cards in the future is ATI. If they
> fail
> > >to keep Nvidia honest, PC *** will either become a very exclusive
club
> or
> > >a club with Grand Prix 3 quality graphics ( in other words, 3 year old
3D
> > >engines).

> > >My $.02,

> > >Michael M