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The cornering speeds can be marginally higher too, but I think most of
the speed is made up by incredibly higher speeds on the straights. One
can almost do an extra 10mph with the qualifying tires (depending on
circuit). This somehow doesn't make much sense, since qualifying tires
are supposed to give you more cornering speed, but straightaway speeds
are defined by your aerodynamics. If my aerodynamics don't change from
qualifying to practice to race, why should my straightaway speeds be
higher?

I am asking because I think this was done on purpose by the designers,
because they couldn't simulate the extra cornering of qualies, so they
cheated and made the straightaways the places where to gain speed.
They applied a fudging factor in other words. What do you think?

                                                Yousuf Khan

Well, you carry different amounts of fuel. In qualify for example, you
carry fuel for 5 laps (but the fuel simulation is very poor).
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1. Faster exits from the corners on Qs will result in the car being
faster on the straights too.

2. Qs give more grip thus better traction for accelerating; this applies
to the straights as well as the corners.

3. It's a fudge, as you said.

4. Some combination of the above.
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But even in tight Monaco, my top speed just goes through the roof; I
think I've hit 180mph through the tunnel. I estimate that with these
1991-era cars, I am achieving 1994-era top speeds. That's because
between those two eras, the real life rev limits on the cars have
increased at least 3000rpm.

Yes, that does make sense. Lower weight should do more for
acceleration and top speed than that extra speed exiting the corner.

And yes, I agree, the fuel simulation really sucks in WC1. Have you
ever run out of fuel during a race? I've never done it.

Also, I've run out of tires during a race, but none of the computer
simulated opponents ever seem to come in for tire changes.

One thing that I have done with the car, that I would have never
guessed the designers even attempted to simulate was getting airborne.
I was in a Benetton in Hockenheim, attempting to go through one of the
little kinks, and then it happened: I screwed up, and hit the wall
several times, and one time I actually saw myself rise above the wall!
I played it back several times from several different angles, and I'm
certain that all four wheels were completely off the ground. Too bad
WC1 didn't have a replay save feature like ICR1 did.

                                        Yousuf Khan

Cheers,
Jonathan

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The Montreal curb launches you airborne and into the opposite wall, a la
Rubens Barrichello.

Trying NOT to turn F1GP into a flight simulator.

Michael Metzger,
San Diego, California

Yes, that's there as well, and I can see you gaining quite a fair bit
of time just by that extra speed in the entry into and the exit out of
the curve. But would it translate to significantly higher top speed?

                                        Yousuf Khan

[Reasons for higher top speed on Q tires]

: Yes, that's there as well, and I can see you gaining quite a fair bit
: of time just by that extra speed in the entry into and the exit out of
: the curve. But would it translate to significantly higher top speed?

I think it's simply because the car is lighter in qualifying.  I don't
think the car ever gets as light even in a 100% race.  Maybe it'll be
more obvious in GP2 since fuel will be a factor in the game.

Regards,

--Brian Ferguson      |  "When I'm racing, I'm alive.   |   LFRS '95-96
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I've spun about and hit many things in the right-left
pits-to-finish-line and I can see quite a lot of opportunities to go
flying there, but I've never done it myself. I always stay planted to
the ground. The reason I'd say it's a good choice to go flying is
because I take that kink at 160mph; the other one is taken much
slower.

                                Yousuf Khan

                                                Yousuf Khan

: >Yes, it is possible to take off in F1GP as I have done it several times. The
: >first chciane at Hockenheim mainly. Good if you're set to invincible as it is
: >possible to land on another car which puts it out of the race!

: I've never been able to recreate it since then. You mean to say you've
: done it more than once?

:                                               Yousuf Khan

Well, I've done it a few times anyway, I don't know of a way to do it each time,
in fact, every time I have done it, I clip the right hand wall on the exit of
the first chicane which sends me in a spin anyway! Your best bet is to drift
slightly to the right on the entrance to the first chicane.

Cheers,
Jonathan Dyson

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