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Bruton Smith Suing CART-GOOD!

Ed Solhei

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by Ed Solhei » Thu, 10 May 2001 23:53:44

Quit shouting so LOUD please!

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> I can see a big pile of trouble heading nascars way, i wouldnt worry too
> much about cart problems, theyre small fry compared to whats going to
> happen.

> pez



> > News announced here in dallas today that Texas Motor SPeedway (aka
> > Bruton Smith) has filed to sue CART for the MILLIONS it lost when Cart
> > cancelled the CART race at texas.

Scott B. Huste

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by Scott B. Huste » Fri, 11 May 2001 01:59:42

Although I agree with the reasons for canceling the race, CART is at fault
for failure of preparation.   Texas contacted CART well before the race to
discuss the safety issues, speed in particular, etc.  CART assured Texas
that everything was "fine".   Then.. two hours before the race.. they
cancel.

Again... I FULLY think they made the right decision at the time, but this
should have been prevented in the first place.  Before you agree to run at a
track that is well known to be fast and of a configuration that is uncommon
to Champ cars (High Banking in particular), there should have been a
thorough testing of the track.

Supposedly, Texas has tried to get reimbursed for its expenses (Which they
damn well deserve) and CART has not responded. (Please read the SUPPOSEDLY
part).

I think this is different than just a 'rain out' as a rain out is an "Act of
God" where as this situation, as correct a decision as it was, was caused by
negligence and lack of preparedness on the part of CART.

That being said... the no race at Texas is still better than any IRL event
;P

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>   And that, you sniveling whippet, means I will miss races at Road
America,
> Mid Ohio, Portland International RAceway, Laguna Seca, Toronto, Detroit,
> Vancouver.
>   You may enjoy left turn only races...hey I do too..BUT I get as much or
> more thrill from the turns in the other direction as well.
>   Suing before any attempt to recoup the losses is of course the American
> Way.
> dave(Yankee Doodle)henrie


> > News announced here in dallas today that Texas Motor SPeedway (aka
> > Bruton Smith) has filed to sue CART for the MILLIONS it lost when Cart
> > cancelled the CART race at texas.
> >   Im happy to see that... As a fan that bought a ticket to finally see a

Jan Verschuere

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by Jan Verschuere » Fri, 11 May 2001 02:01:55

On a side note... I think you may have a problem with your keyboard. The
message header is in all caps and in the body the working of the shift keys
seems sporadic.

Jan.
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Rick Baumhaue

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by Rick Baumhaue » Fri, 11 May 2001 03:09:54



> <snip>
> >This is
> >entertainment and the show must go on... I did not want to see any
> >driver get hurt or wreck but they are obligated by contract to
> >perform
> <snip>

> You WHAT? The drivers are the ones risking their lives out there.
> It's they who should have the final say, not circuit bosses, TV
> execs, or even us poor fans. Sure it's a pain when a race you've
> looked forward to is cancelled for safety reasons - we've probably
> all experienced it at some time or other - but it's a damn sight
> better than going ahead and ending up with a disaster.

> Example: Adelaide GP, 1991. Appallingly wet conditions. The race was
> stopped after 14 laps, and damn right too. In fact, it should never
> have been started. Alain Prost was the bravest man that day, retiring
> after one lap because he considered the conditions too dangerous -
> Gerhard Berger said afterwards that he felt ashamed he didn't have
> the guts to do the same. A disappointment for the fans, certainly -
> but a full-length race would have had at least an even chance of
> killing someone.

Not to diminish your point, but this was actually Adelaide '89, not '91 -
Prost had already been sacked by Ferrari in '91, and so wasn't at Adelaide.
The '89 race actually continued for 70 laps, finally ending at the two hour
mark.  The '91 race was called after 14 laps.

Rick

David Butte

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by David Butte » Fri, 11 May 2001 08:09:47


2001:

You're quite right - apologies for the error. Doesn't affect the main
thrust of the argument, though.

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nascaro

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by nascaro » Fri, 11 May 2001 08:37:01

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Tom Pabs

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by Tom Pabs » Fri, 11 May 2001 12:25:46

Boy Scott.....I gotta "agree" with you 1000% on that one!

Tom

PS:  I thought CART "tested" at Texas (couple teams)....didn't they?

John Bod

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by John Bod » Fri, 11 May 2001 15:09:55



Yes, they "tested" -- and that was the problem.  They should have
TESTED.  I think they figured they have Kenny Brack who's won at Texas
in "Indy-style" cars, and CART races at California which isn't all
that different from Texas, so they turned a few laps (i.e., "tested")
and said, "Let's race!"

Stupid move.  They should have REALLY tested before deciding to race
there.  The IRL proved you can run 215 - 220 mph laps at Texas, but
CART went there knowing full well that they would easily exceed those
speeds (counting on it, in fact?).  

CART deserves the black eye for this one.

-- JB

Scott B. Huste

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by Scott B. Huste » Sat, 12 May 2001 01:46:37

I think one or two teams tested, but I'm not sure exactly how extensive of a
test it was.

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Tim Vannam

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by Tim Vannam » Sat, 12 May 2001 03:45:04

It is my understanding that Eddie Gossage (GM of TMS) has been trying to
negotiate w/ CART about what is going to be done (ie. cancel and get
money back, reschedule, etc) and has gotten nowhere.  I'm not sure your
statement of TMS suing before trying recoup the losses is accurate.

Tim.



Tim Vannam

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by Tim Vannam » Sat, 12 May 2001 03:52:29

If you've ever seen Jack Miller (IRL) race, you've seen a chicane on
an oval.  :)

Listening on the radio, the other drivers refer to him as a rolling
chicane. lol

Tim.

ymenar

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by ymenar » Sat, 12 May 2001 06:58:59


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Asbj?rn Bj?rnst

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by Asbj?rn Bj?rnst » Sat, 12 May 2001 13:54:39



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Hmm. Your post (which he responded to) looked like this(Yes, you
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ymenar

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by ymenar » Sun, 13 May 2001 00:54:28


> Hmm. Your post (which he responded to) looked like this(Yes, you
> posted mime-encoded messages on news, bad boy.):

Then you should get a better newsreader, because it was on purpose in HTML.

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Doug Millike

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by Doug Millike » Sun, 13 May 2001 01:28:19

The original version of the "Troll-O-Meter" (from May 9) looked fine on my
system -- It is pure ascii-art which must be viewed in a fixed-pitch font
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For those who are unable to Turn Off all the non-standard extensions
on their email, it looked like a pair of level meters on a tape deck...




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