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GPL - An Adventure

Ruud Dingeman

GPL - An Adventure

by Ruud Dingeman » Wed, 31 Jul 2002 16:10:06

My word, this really is a great sim, even for a Mac person.  <g>

I'm a Mac user, which is nice (being Unix-based, MacOS X really is a lot
more stable than the older OS now, thank goodness), but Racer isn't
there yet (here's to ya Ruud, having bought a G4 :).

Imagine, no GPL either, and only the older Indycar II and the original
Nascar Racing as decent-for-their-time Mac race games/sims.

So, having had the chance to pick up an older 333 MHz PII w/Voodoo2, and
having bought GPL cheap "just in case" - I *really really* wanted to try
Clark's legendary Lotus someday; who wouldn't  ;)

After trying for a couple of weeks with the keyboard in F1 (1:31.4 at
Monza and 1:09.6 at the Glen I think), weyhey: a cheap non-FF
wheel-pedal setup for about $ 14. Won't fit my Mac, sadly, but here we
go. Having read a wheel is "so much better", had to have a go...  If
it's better, can't be too hard getting used to it in about 10 laps,
right? Off go the driving aids..

<<Scenes of extreme carnage in first 'hot'laps>>

Slide, screech, maim, wallop, *argh* -  jeez, this is *hard*, which
smartypants said a wheel was *better*?  ;)

Yeah, more controllable it is, but having to master the throttle/brake
all by yerself kinda undoes that advantage. And we wouldn't want to
leave them on, seeing we already raced Revs on the C64 back in the day,
would we? Nevertheless, wrecked a lot of beautiful classic F1 Ferraris
(in real life, would've been a crime indeed!)

Well, of course, after a while, things settled a bit, and going two
seconds faster to 1:07 at the Glen and 1 sec to 1:30.3 at Monza made
life a little brighter. Ok, it's no hotlap by sim standards, but then I
ain't no hotlapper by any means and it would've been enough to be on par
with Sir Surtees in the real GP. Could do worse, I guess.

However, having used Alisons Ferrari setups for a while (thanks Ali),
today I risked trying Greger Huttu's Lotus setup for Monza.

I imagined Greger's 'alien' settings to be twitchy, nervous and almost
undriveable. But it handled nicely, balanced - a surprise, I quickly got
into the low 1:30s again, despite locking my brakes nearly all the time
(this cheap wheel ain't the best configured I guess, even with extra
foam under the pedals). It felt like this setup could be stretched even
a little bit further, if I dared and was darn lucky for once.

And suddenly, a 1:30.17, as fast as the standard replay. Hey! Not too
shabby.

1:30.15, nice, even beat that replay time, trying to exit Lesmo 2 as
smoothly and fast as possible, but still lockin' those brakes at
Parabolica and Lesmo 1. And I'm sure I'm losing some time exiting
Parabolica, too. But the 1:30 barrier is only one-tenth of a second
away, so we keep on trying (and sliding off for most 'hot'laps).

Deep into the night, trying to scrape off those last few thousands,
really gunning it out of the Parabolica this time, suddenly the 1:29.92
appears. Woo hoo!
Took a couple of *weeks* (well, just the evenings of course) of trying,
but we got there. Very satisfying indeed, kinda makes up for the pain of
having to relearn GPL (which is hard enough already) for the wheel again.
What did it for me, I guess, is letting it slide a little to the outside
in the Parabolica, then turning in and shift up as fast and smooth as
possible almost in a straight line onto the straightaway. Greger's gears
work real well there in 3rd and 4th, although 5th seems a little long.

Now to practice my F1 starts - starting 6th from a mediocre saved
qualifier, I mostly drop behind and see Clark/Hill pulling away about a
mile or so right away (but managed to finish 5th later on, which is good
for my very limited talents).

(Wonder if Force Feedback really helps any further, and having no
separate axis for gas/brake pedals probably ain't that hot either.)

So, I just wanted to say Thankyou to Greger H., for being so kind to
share his fine setups. Made those days of practice almost seem
worthwhile. Thanks mate!

Now, to get some sleep, finally... Zzz   <dreaming of 'real' hotlaps>

Regards, Rudy (the Netherlands)

L.A. Mi

GPL - An Adventure

by L.A. Mi » Wed, 31 Jul 2002 23:36:26

Ruud Dingemans

<snip>

Hah! A great read, Ruud!

I too, am somewhat new to GPL, having had a sub-par computer that
wouldn't run it to my satisfaction. It is a great sim.

<snip: times>

I hate you. You're already beating my times, and I've had GPL for a
couple months now. :-)

However, in my (lame) defense, I've been enjoying N3 of late... so
that's an excuse, right? Right? RIGHT????

Okay, gimme' a break... so I'm a lousy Ferarri 312 driver.

Anyway, have fun!!

Andre Ming

Ruud Dingeman

GPL - An Adventure

by Ruud Dingeman » Thu, 01 Aug 2002 05:10:28

Thanks Andre. I was rather drowsy while writing that, otherwise it
would've been a better read!

It is indeed, even after a couple of years, but it being older helps us
lowlifes with sub-par equipment a lot!

Eeh well, have to say so have I, but as mentioned, driving around using
the keyboard didn't make relearning the wheel much easier (no driving
aids anymore, too... You get in the car and suddenly its "aargh, where'd
  all my skill go!?") I did have some previous experience though,
driving F1GP on the Amiga, radio-controlled racers for some years, and
some real-life karts (not that THAT helped a lot, mind you. It was fun
to compare when trying Super 1 Karting though :).

Absolutely, I enjoyed Nascar 1 back in the day, too  :)

I'm a lousy Lotus driver, so I haven't got that much to speak for myself
either  ;)    It's all about fun though, and that's what it does provide!

Likewise!

Regards, Rudy

Jonny Hodgso

GPL - An Adventure

by Jonny Hodgso » Thu, 01 Aug 2002 04:46:25

[snip]
[snip]

*Weeks?*  *WEEKS?!?*  It took me over two *years* to break
1:30 at Monza - although I was under nine minutes at the
'Ring long before that... ;-)

Happy racing!
Jonny

Ruud Dingeman

GPL - An Adventure

by Ruud Dingeman » Thu, 01 Aug 2002 05:25:37



>>really gunning it out of the Parabolica this time, suddenly the 1:29.92
>>appears. Woo hoo!
>>Took a couple of *weeks* (well, just the evenings of course) of trying,

> [snip]

> *Weeks?*  *WEEKS?!?*  It took me over two *years* to break
> 1:30 at Monza - although I was under nine minutes at the
> 'Ring long before that... ;-)

Ah well, take comfort, my lad, in the fact that you seem to have far
more balls than me - I've only got two, and I don't even *dare* to drive
at the Ring until I've done some fairly decent times at tracks like Kya
and the Glen  ;)

(I've driven my motorcycle for fun around the real Nordschleife, and it
is as scary as it looks in GPL  8)

Regards, Rudy

Jonny Hodgso

GPL - An Adventure

by Jonny Hodgso » Thu, 01 Aug 2002 06:34:28


> > *Weeks?*  *WEEKS?!?*  It took me over two *years* to break
> > 1:30 at Monza - although I was under nine minutes at the
> > 'Ring long before that... ;-)

> Ah well, take comfort, my lad, in the fact that you seem to have far
> more balls than me - I've only got two, and I don't even *dare* to drive
> at the Ring until I've done some fairly decent times at tracks like Kya
> and the Glen  ;)

> (I've driven my motorcycle for fun around the real Nordschleife, and it
> is as scary as it looks in GPL  8)

One day, when I own a car that's up to it, I will go to Germany
and drive the 'Ring.  I have very few ambitions in life, but
that's one of them :-)

Jonny

Jan Verschuere

GPL - An Adventure

by Jan Verschuere » Thu, 01 Aug 2002 07:59:12

Hehehe, the adventure is just beginning, Ruud. There more cares to drive,
more tracks to learn... then there's online racing, a different kettle of
fish altogether. FF might help you, then again it might prove to be a bit of
a resource hog on the PII.

Thanks for sharing your experiences.

Jan.
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Ruud Dingeman

GPL - An Adventure

by Ruud Dingeman » Thu, 01 Aug 2002 11:06:03


>>(I've driven my motorcycle for fun around the real Nordschleife, and it
>>is as scary as it looks in GPL  8)
> One day, when I own a car that's up to it, I will go to Germany
> and drive the 'Ring.  I have very few ambitions in life, but
> that's one of them :-)

Well, I hope I don't dash your hopes in saying that driving the old
Nordschleife at 'racing' speed is basically right out unless a) you have
delusions of grandeur or b) your brain is lacking in basic functionality.
Not that you can't go fast, but it's too dangerous. In contrast to a
race, there aren't any aid workers or ambulances present every few
corners. It's just a country and woodland road for a lot of the time.
You drive there at your own risk and it's easy to realise what could
happen if you make a real mistake on 22 kilometres of track with no one
around to help. Lauda had help right on hand and we all know what
happened to him.

Better stick to GPL and see how it would 'really' feel at speed  ;)

Regards, Rudy

Eldre

GPL - An Adventure

by Eldre » Thu, 01 Aug 2002 11:14:48



>*Weeks?*  *WEEKS?!?*  It took me over two *years* to break
>1:30 at Monza - although I was under nine minutes at the
>'Ring long before that... ;-)

Don't get me STARTED...

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Ted

GPL - An Adventure

by Ted » Thu, 01 Aug 2002 13:02:40


> My word, this really is a great sim, even for a Mac person.  <g>
> So, having had the chance to pick up an older 333 MHz PII w/Voodoo2, and
> having bought GPL cheap "just in case" - I *really really* wanted to try
> Clark's legendary Lotus someday; who wouldn't  ;)

Indeed.

Well, you deserve  a medal Ruud...for even getting under 2:00 with the
***y keyboard!

Before I bought my (nice used) Logitech Wingman Formula FF Wheel off
eBay, I used a Logitech Rumble Pad with dual analog
thumbsticks...setup with the throttle-brake axis on the right and
steering axis on the left.

After a few weeks practice I could do a steady 1:14 at the Glen using
the Brabham or Lotus...although I hit a plateau and couldn't get any
lower, until I got the wheel.  But I know I would have never gotten
that low using just the keyboard!

- Ted

Jonny Hodgso

GPL - An Adventure

by Jonny Hodgso » Fri, 02 Aug 2002 04:12:24



> >>(I've driven my motorcycle for fun around the real Nordschleife, and it
> >>is as scary as it looks in GPL  8)

> > One day, when I own a car that's up to it, I will go to Germany
> > and drive the 'Ring.  I have very few ambitions in life, but
> > that's one of them :-)

> Well, I hope I don't dash your hopes in saying that driving the old
> Nordschleife at 'racing' speed is basically right out unless a) you have
> delusions of grandeur or b) your brain is lacking in basic functionality.
> Not that you can't go fast, but it's too dangerous. In contrast to a

No, I sincerely hope that I'll be able to contain my enthusiasm
and keep it well within the limits, at least in the faster stuff
and where visibility's low.

I still want a semi-decent car for it though, if only so I'm
confident the brakes will stand up to track-style use.

Jonny

Syd

GPL - An Adventure

by Syd » Fri, 02 Aug 2002 05:22:34

Don't worry about it, I have had GPL since the day it came out
(October 7/8/9th 1998??), and even with my MOMO wheel, I can't
go faster than 1m 30.05 on Monza. So close!!

ymenar

GPL - An Adventure

by ymenar » Fri, 02 Aug 2002 05:35:05


> Deep into the night, trying to scrape off those last few thousands,
> really gunning it out of the Parabolica this time, suddenly the 1:29.92
> appears. Woo hoo!

YASOMTA! ;-)

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ymenar

GPL - An Adventure

by ymenar » Fri, 02 Aug 2002 05:37:16


> Well, I hope I don't dash your hopes in saying that driving the old
> Nordschleife at 'racing' speed is basically right out unless a) you have
> delusions of grandeur or b) your brain is lacking in basic functionality.
> Not that you can't go fast, but it's too dangerous. In contrast to a
> race, there aren't any aid workers or ambulances present every few
> corners. It's just a country and woodland road for a lot of the time.
> You drive there at your own risk and it's easy to realise what could
> happen if you make a real mistake on 22 kilometres of track with no one
> around to help.

Yeah say that to the hundreds of speed freaks going around the ring each day
with their sports bikes and Porshes at 99% racing speed  ;-)

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Corporation - helping America into the New World...

adsale

GPL - An Adventure

by adsale » Fri, 02 Aug 2002 06:51:47



> > Well, I hope I don't dash your hopes in saying that driving the old
> > Nordschleife at 'racing' speed is basically right out unless a) you have
> > delusions of grandeur or b) your brain is lacking in basic functionality.
> > Not that you can't go fast, but it's too dangerous. In contrast to a
> > race, there aren't any aid workers or ambulances present every few
> > corners. It's just a country and woodland road for a lot of the time.
> > You drive there at your own risk and it's easy to realise what could
> > happen if you make a real mistake on 22 kilometres of track with no one
> > around to help.

> Yeah say that to the hundreds of speed freaks going around the ring each day
> with their sports bikes and Porshes at 99% racing speed  ;-)

You don't need a Porsche to do it even, my Opel Ascona managed just
fine, of course, "racing speed" might be a bit of stretch, but I did try
to pass an old 911 on the outside in the Karousel......

Yes yes yes, I know that now, but this was back in 92 or 93 and it was
my first ever lap around there and my friend had the camera ready as we
thought it would be so cool to have proof of an old Opel Ascona (mildly
tuned :-) passing a 911 at "The Ring", and passing him right there
seemed like a good idea at the time

Copious amounts of opposite lock and grippy Dunlop tires saved the day,
I've always wondered what that 911 driver must have thought as I went
for the outside line......

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

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