rec.autos.simulators

These questions are perhaps embarassingly basic, but my main
simulation experience is with air combat sims.

(I am just beginning to get the rythm of driving down relative to the
track.)  First, what's the best way to maneuver to pass AI cars?
What's the best way of keeping them from zooming into the turns
braking later and coming out ahead, or worse rear ending you?

Second, if I quick race and place myself in the middle of the starting
grid on Monza, how do I avoid yielding 5 positions going into the
first turn or getting my car crumpled into a beer can as all the cars
converge?

Thanks.

Other way is to outbrake them, with a little practice you'll find
that you can sometimes reduce the braking length a lot.

I try to keep the inside line to block em...dont brake hard in their
faces....

Dont try to win the race on the first turn...place yourself in a good
position (not too much in the inside) and drive as slow as them
and keep your line

see ya! :)

Daniel

If you are behind then try and set up for the corner so that you will
have better corner exit speed and pass as you exit the corner. Most of
the time the AI will have gone into the corner a bit hot to try and
defend their position and will have very low corner exit speed as a
result.

On the start I wind up the engine until the first green rpm light is
lit, when the green comes, I drop into 1st gear and pass, try and stay
either to the inside or outside before the first corner, and slow down
a bit before the AI, then just do your best to avoid accidents.
Sometimes there is no way to avoid them, just as in real F1 races,
that is just part of the fun of a standing start.

The AI in GP2 is really outstanding, I have had a couple of races
where I have traded the lead with Schumacher and Hill a few times
without banging wheels, but then there has also been a few times when
I have been taken out at by an oponent going in too hot on a corner
and trying to outbrake me. Again this correlates pretty much with what
I see in real F1.

Cheers.

--John
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  John (Joao) Silva
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  Seattle, Washington USA.

You pretty much drive like Jean Alesi. ie Stick your nose in there & let the
other guys back off. I am constantly impressed with the GP2 IA. They back off
when they should, close the door on you when they should, & do not try to
"take you out" when you pass them on a fast straight. The latter was a definate
problem for GP1. So much so, I used to joke in this newsgroup about how Crammond
had the NASCAR (fender scraping) IA down perfect :-)

Anyway, using this method, when I quickrace I can go from 6th on the grid
to 1st or 2nd after the chicane quite regularly (at Pro level, joystick
with only gears and traction on). Good luck

Julian
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: You pretty much drive like Jean Alesi. ie Stick your nose in there & let the
: other guys back off. I am constantly impressed with the GP2 IA. They back off
: when they should, close the door on you when they should, & do not try to
: "take you out" when you pass them on a fast straight. The latter was a definate
: problem for GP1. So much so, I used to joke in this newsgroup about how Crammond
: had the NASCAR (fender scraping) IA down perfect :-)

I will agree that the GP2 AI is very forgiving, if you let them.  Don't
stop dead on the track and they won't hit you.  They seem to have better
mirrors than my car in GP2!, but maybe that's because they can hear my
car coming! ;-)  Howver, the are dumber than ______, if I spin out in
the middle of the track.  If this is near the start, I can't get out of
the way until all of the traffic goes by.  But it won't go by!  They
just keep plowing into me, trying to bulldoze me off the course.  They
won't backup, turn around, etc.

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I have noticed that just like in GP1, if you do not give them a line, they
do not try to pass. I suggest making your car wider :-) I have held up
traffic at spa quite alot. Since I never give a good opening for a pass,
I am always in front of the train...

Man, I know what you are talking about. But let;s face it, in F1, one
you spin, it is all over anyway! This certainly leaves a bad taste in
the mouth tho- I've quit racing many times after getting knocked
around repeatedly like a hockey puck until I'm 26th and 9 seconds
behind anybody.

I've located one place where AI guys are truly idiots- at Spa, in the
final chicane before the curve toward the start/finish. AI guys will
hit you very fast and hard if you are stuck in a line of traffic
there. I ask myself- why are all the AI guys stuck ahead of me just
fine, and it is always the AI guy behind ME that wipes us all out? ;>

Also, AI guys seem to love to pass there. I tend to think in real life
most drivers would have a sort of unspoken agreement to keep some
space in there; if you tangle, both of you are out. But the AI guys
just dive in over the first curb to pass me, and it is a pure game of
"chicken" after that. 9 times out of 10 we're both out of the race.
Best to let them go.

: I've located one place where AI guys are truly idiots- at Spa, in the
: final chicane before the curve toward the start/finish. AI guys will
: hit you very fast and hard if you are stuck in a line of traffic
: there.

Hmm, didn't happen to me, yet...
But at the start they're even worse, start from last grid position,
get on the right side and blast through to the first corner.
Usually you'll be in the top ten at that time...

That should be considered a bug, I think.

...bye, Niels

It's like putting a Williams on the back row...  It'll fly right by the
minardi's and stuff...  that's for sure :-)

Yves