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3D Video Board -- Worth It ?

Dan Kimme

3D Video Board -- Worth It ?

by Dan Kimme » Thu, 06 Feb 1997 04:00:00

I running 'N2' on a Pentium 75Mhz system.  I've been thinking of getting a
3D board for use with 'N2'.  Is it worth the money?  Will it improve the
video by that much?  Does anyone have any sugestions on which video board I
should purchase?  I'm not sure of my limitations by having a 75Mhz system.

Thanks in advance,

Dan


Matthew Lewi

3D Video Board -- Worth It ?

by Matthew Lewi » Fri, 07 Feb 1997 04:00:00


> I running 'N2' on a Pentium 75Mhz system.  I've been thinking of getting a
> 3D board for use with 'N2'.  Is it worth the money?  Will it improve the
> video by that much?  Does anyone have any sugestions on which video board I
> should purchase?  I'm not sure of my limitations by having a 75Mhz system.

> Thanks in advance,

> Dan



I own the Sierra Screamin'3D and love it.  In my opinion, it will really
supercharge the graphics on that P75.  Any Rendition Verite based video
card should work, but I recommend avoiding the Creative Labs 3D Blaster
PCI card unless you can live without the enhanced Indycar2 version made
for the Rendition cards.  And, trust me, you can't live without it.  It
is that good.

Try the Screamin'3D or the Canopus Total 3D cards.  These offer less
bugs and slightly better performance.  Or, if you are on a tight budget,
save $30 over the Screamin'3D by getting an Intergraph Intense 3D card.
--
Matt Lewis

Mike Schreine

3D Video Board -- Worth It ?

by Mike Schreine » Fri, 07 Feb 1997 04:00:00



> > I running 'N2' on a Pentium 75Mhz system.  I've been thinking of getting a
> > 3D board for use with 'N2'.  Is it worth the money?  Will it improve the
> > video by that much?  Does anyone have any sugestions on which video board I
> > should purchase?  I'm not sure of my limitations by having a 75Mhz system.

> > Thanks in advance,

> > Dan


> I own the Sierra Screamin'3D and love it.  In my opinion, it will really
> supercharge the graphics on that P75.  Any Rendition Verite based video
> card should work, but I recommend avoiding the Creative Labs 3D Blaster
> PCI card unless you can live without the enhanced Indycar2 version made
> for the Rendition cards.  And, trust me, you can't live without it.  It
> is that good.

> Try the Screamin'3D or the Canopus Total 3D cards.  These offer less
> bugs and slightly better performance.  Or, if you are on a tight budget,
> save $30 over the Screamin'3D by getting an Intergraph Intense 3D card.
> --
> Matt Lewis


I have a rendition Intense 3d(was the reactor), and it made a huge
difference on my Packard Bell P133. If it will help a Packrd Bell it
will help anything. I was able to run Indyfast with everything on!
Smooth as silk! Almost changed my favorite saying from "race cars have
doors!" to "race cars do 233 at Michigan!" Pretty impressive.

Luckily I got my homebuild runnin first, now I can run just about
everything in renddma on at 30 fps. Wheew.

Mick in Tampa
--

Mike Schreiner
http://pages.prodigy.com/CNSRL      #3 = #8 in '97!!!!!!!!!!!!

Robert A. Knaube

3D Video Board -- Worth It ?

by Robert A. Knaube » Fri, 07 Feb 1997 04:00:00



> > I running 'N2' on a Pentium 75Mhz system.  I've been thinking of getting a
> > 3D board for use with 'N2'.  Is it worth the money?  Will it improve the
> > video by that much?  Does anyone have any sugestions on which video board I
> > should purchase?  I'm not sure of my limitations by having a 75Mhz system.

> > Thanks in advance,

> > Dan


> I own the Sierra Screamin'3D and love it.  In my opinion, it will really
> supercharge the graphics on that P75.  Any Rendition Verite based video
> card should work, but I recommend avoiding the Creative Labs 3D Blaster
> PCI card unless you can live without the enhanced Indycar2 version made
> for the Rendition cards.  And, trust me, you can't live without it.  It
> is that good.

> Try the Screamin'3D or the Canopus Total 3D cards.  These offer less
> bugs and slightly better performance.  Or, if you are on a tight budget,
> save $30 over the Screamin'3D by getting an Intergraph Intense 3D card.
> --
> Matt Lewis


Could we have the advice of any people who are involved in video card
area at which one is better?  I would ask the papyrus guy for his
opinion but of course he would say the Sierra mad Screamin 3d.
Eric T. Busc

3D Video Board -- Worth It ?

by Eric T. Busc » Fri, 07 Feb 1997 04:00:00

Basically there are no physical differences between the Intergraph and
Sierra cards.  The main differences are in the quality of drivers,
support, price, and bundled software.

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Mark Daviso

3D Video Board -- Worth It ?

by Mark Daviso » Fri, 07 Feb 1997 04:00:00

I'm not involved in the video card area but the only hardware that N2
supports is Rendition.  Be warned, though, that if you want to play VGA
(320x200) games, you might want to avoid it.  It has trouble with a lot
of lo-res stuff (the fixes available only seem to work on a minority of
games, thankfully GP2 is one of them).
Bottom line - if your PC is purely a simracing machine, buy Rendition -
you'll get good N2, good ICR2 and GP2 wont be harmed (it may be better
if your current vid card is slow).
You want arcade?  Upgrade your Processor, M/B, Vid Card and shove in a
3Dfx add on (or buy a Playstation - a lot cheaper ;) ).

No one ever said it was gonna be easy!

Mark
Reading, UK

Frank Faro

3D Video Board -- Worth It ?

by Frank Faro » Fri, 07 Feb 1997 04:00:00



> > I running 'N2' on a Pentium 75Mhz system.  I've been thinking of getting a
> > 3D board for use with 'N2'.  Is it worth the money?  Will it improve the
> > video by that much?  Does anyone have any sugestions on which video board I
> > should purchase?  I'm not sure of my limitations by having a 75Mhz system.

> > Thanks in advance,

> > Dan


> I own the Sierra Screamin'3D and love it.  In my opinion, it will really
> supercharge the graphics on that P75.  Any Rendition Verite based video
> card should work, but I recommend avoiding the Creative Labs 3D Blaster
> PCI card unless you can live without the enhanced Indycar2 version made
> for the Rendition cards.  And, trust me, you can't live without it.  It
> is that good.

> Try the Screamin'3D or the Canopus Total 3D cards.  These offer less
> bugs and slightly better performance.  Or, if you are on a tight budget,
> save $30 over the Screamin'3D by getting an Intergraph Intense 3D card.
> --
> Matt Lewis


I agree.  Have a P120 with Screamin 3D and N2 is so much better with
the  3D card.  Double check that you P75 supports DMA.  Without it, N2
seems slower with the 3d card.
Eric T. Busc

3D Video Board -- Worth It ?

by Eric T. Busc » Sat, 08 Feb 1997 04:00:00

True, but how many ModeX games (those VGA games that don't work with
Renutil) do you still play?  I don't have a single game that doesn't
use DirectX or VESA modes.

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Robert A. Knaube

3D Video Board -- Worth It ?

by Robert A. Knaube » Sat, 08 Feb 1997 04:00:00




> > > I running 'N2' on a Pentium 75Mhz system.  I've been thinking of getting a
> > > 3D board for use with 'N2'.  Is it worth the money?  Will it improve the
> > > video by that much?  Does anyone have any sugestions on which video board I
> > > should purchase?  I'm not sure of my limitations by having a 75Mhz system.

> > > Thanks in advance,

> > > Dan


> > I own the Sierra Screamin'3D and love it.  In my opinion, it will really
> > supercharge the graphics on that P75.  Any Rendition Verite based video
> > card should work, but I recommend avoiding the Creative Labs 3D Blaster
> > PCI card unless you can live without the enhanced Indycar2 version made
> > for the Rendition cards.  And, trust me, you can't live without it.  It
> > is that good.

> > Try the Screamin'3D or the Canopus Total 3D cards.  These offer less
> > bugs and slightly better performance.  Or, if you are on a tight budget,
> > save $30 over the Screamin'3D by getting an Intergraph Intense 3D card.
> > --
> > Matt Lewis

> I agree.  Have a P120 with Screamin 3D and N2 is so much better with
> the  3D card.  Double check that you P75 supports DMA.  Without it, N2
> seems slower with the 3d card.

I am going to be buying a new motherboard this weekend at a computer
show.  Do you know if the Intel Triton 2 Motherboard or the Intel Marl
Motherboard support DMA?  BTW... what is DMA beside's a configuration
item.
Eric T. Busc

3D Video Board -- Worth It ?

by Eric T. Busc » Sat, 08 Feb 1997 04:00:00

Don't skimp and buy a no-name MB.  Stick with a reputable manufacturer
(ABIT, ASUS, SuperMicro, etc.) who has a presence on the web.  Not only
will you get better performance, but you'll have easy access to BIOS
upgrades.

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Mark Daviso

3D Video Board -- Worth It ?

by Mark Daviso » Sat, 08 Feb 1997 04:00:00


> True, but how many ModeX games (those VGA games that don't work with
> Renutil) do you still play?  I don't have a single game that doesn't
> use DirectX or VESA modes.

First I wanna apologise for misunderstanding the question.  He obviously
wanted to know which -Rendition- card to go for, not any other
accelerator.  Sorry 'bout that.

To answer your question, none :)  Thats why I still have the 3D Blaster
(I'm English and am not aware of a Rendition card that has ICR2 3D
bundled over here).  -But- after some bad experiences trusting magazine
reviews I always try before I buy and there are game demos out there
which are too demanding for SVGA (on my P200).  Destruction Derby 2 and
Tunnel B1 are examples of games that I'm sure would fly on a less -er-
'specialised?' video card in VGA.  Rendition can't deal with them.  Too
slow SVGA, no chance VGA.
My point is that if you play a LOT of DOS software, you could be in for
an unpleasant surprise.
Personally I'm just a saddo that wants to have Papyrus' baby so I'll
stick with Rendition and beg once more:
Please release ICR2 3D.  Please, please, please, please, please.  It's
in the 3D Blaster catalogue as available now, but I suspect this is a
misnomer :(

BTW  Thanks for all your help in the past, Eric.  I owe you.

Mark
Reading, UK

David W. McFarlan

3D Video Board -- Worth It ?

by David W. McFarlan » Sun, 09 Feb 1997 04:00:00

To strech these ?'s along further.  What about a Tyan mb?  I see them
all over the place but noticed you left them out.  Another ? dealing
with the 3d boards.  I was all set on buyin the Sierra board but
realized that it is only a 4mb board.  I noticed that some can be
expanded to 8mb.  Is this something I should be concerned with?  
--
"You stick to driving your typewriter and I'll stick to driving the
racecars"-Freejack
David W. McFarland

'87 LX hatch

brand..

3D Video Board -- Worth It ?

by brand.. » Sun, 09 Feb 1997 04:00:00

On Fri, 07 Feb 1997 11:56:54 -0500, "Robert A. Knauber"


>I am going to be buying a new motherboard this weekend at a computer
>show.  Do you know if the Intel Triton 2 Motherboard or the Intel Marl
>Motherboard support DMA?  BTW... what is DMA beside's a configuration
>item.

Do yourself a big favor, and don't think about buying any other board
than the ASUS P/I-P55T2P4.  Just got mine yesterday and WOW!  DMA out
of the box was 77.8, then with PCI Latency set to 54, it was 90.0.
Then I turned it back down to 32, and overclocked it to 208Mhz with
83Mhz bus speed and got 91.6 and 4 more fps' with cbench.
Eric T. Busc

3D Video Board -- Worth It ?

by Eric T. Busc » Mon, 10 Feb 1997 04:00:00

None of the current Rendition boards are expandable.  Unless you need
24-bit or above at resolutions greater than 1024x786, I wouldn't worry
about it.  That's all the extra memory will get you, higher resolutions
and color depths.

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ccorpor

3D Video Board -- Worth It ?

by ccorpor » Tue, 11 Feb 1997 04:00:00


> Bottom line - if your PC is purely a simracing machine, buy Rendition -
> you'll get good N2, good ICR2 and GP2 wont be harmed (it may be better
> if your current vid card is slow).
> You want arcade?  Upgrade your Processor, M/B, Vid Card and shove in a
> 3Dfx add on (or buy a Playstation - a lot cheaper ;) ).

REPLY:

IMO performance wise you get very good N2, great ICR2 and normal ok GP2.

You seem to down play the verite chip a bit. It's way ahead of a playstation
and at the moment close to 3dfx.

Overall the arcade is behind both 3d chips, pc games are so much deeper than
arcade games with having near or better graphics quality.

How can one ever argue that Daytona Arcade should ever be used in the same
sentence with N2? N2 puts that highly aclaimed game to shame.

Q.B.M.


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