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Learning to drive in America!

Ken Bear

Learning to drive in America!

by Ken Bear » Mon, 04 Feb 2002 10:29:07


I don't know of any actual "drivers education" type sims other than the one
Sierra did in about '98 that was mentioned below.  What may help you out
some is to read the actual drivers handbook that is used to teach drivers
here what to do.  You may find one online for the state of California - try
their Department of Motor Vehicles.

The North Carolina handbook is online, and that should give you a good idea
about signage and traffic signals and other basic information, most of which
will be very close if not identical to what you'll find in California.  You
can find this at:

http://www.racesimcentral.net/

Hope that helps!

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Uncle Feste

Learning to drive in America!

by Uncle Feste » Mon, 04 Feb 2002 10:33:47



> writes:



> >> A bit of clarification: this is on multi-lane roads. You don't have to
> >> expect somebody to come roaring past you on the shoulder. At least it's
> >> unlikely, anyway.

> >Yea, but passing on the right is a real bad habit that some people have.

> You mean passing on the right, as in going around somebody who's in the left
> lane, but driving slower than everyone else on the road?  If they won't yield
> to faster traffic, then you HAVE to go around them on the right.

Nah.  That's why God gave you a horn & a finger! :-)

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Dave Henri

Learning to drive in America!

by Dave Henri » Mon, 04 Feb 2002 11:31:41



> > > You mean passing on the right, as in going around somebody who's in
the left
> > lane, but driving slower than everyone else on the road?  If they won't
yield
> > to faster traffic, then you HAVE to go around them on the right.

> Nah.  That's why God gave you a horn & a finger! :-)

   I just read about a Car Magazine journalist who got two tickets on one
trip, and the 2nd was for passing a slow driver AFTER that car had parralled
a semi truck for many miles.    Not everystate allows you to pass a left
lane turtle by using the right lane.
  At least in Washington ST, they will occasionally ticket somebody if he's
holding up a long line of cars...but that's pretty rare.
dave henrie
Gary Stephenso

Learning to drive in America!

by Gary Stephenso » Mon, 04 Feb 2002 13:39:54



> [snip]
> Thanks for your comments - very helpful (same to everyone else whom I
> haven't replied to yet!)

> > FWIW, I'm planning on coming to the UK the first week of April to attend
> > a convention in the Bristol, area. I'm scared shitless at the thought of
> > driving a car out of Gatwick or Heathrow. (My experiences at Chicago's
> > O'Hare airport is the primary reason for my fears. I'll be flying out of
> > Milwaukee this time.) I guess I'll just drive like I'm at Silverstone...
> > isn't that an old airport?

> Silverstone? Not sure. Driving a car out of Heathrow is considerably easier
> than driving out of Gatwick, since with Gatwick - it is far easier to end up
> in London or Brighton if you miss the turning for the M25.

> The actual 'driving' is pretty easy. The roads are wide (ish) and well
> marked. Getting in and out of the airport is REALLY SIMPLE, especially for
> Heathrow.

> Gatwick again, just be careful when you come out you are in the right lane
> for the way you want to go (this is signposted at least twice, and written
> on the road too!) If you get the wrong one, you can turn round at the next
> junction anyway.

Damn...I'm flying into Gatwick. Guess I'll have to take my own advice
and know where I'm going and drive alert.

Thanks,

Gary

Pat

Learning to drive in America!

by Pat » Mon, 04 Feb 2002 07:24:13


I'd just like to say that if you are driving in or around London, the rest
of the UK doesn't drive quite like that ;-)

If you can survive the M25 and still be sane, you'll have achieved
something.

Pat.
Southampton, UK.

Zardo

Learning to drive in America!

by Zardo » Mon, 04 Feb 2002 21:37:33


general traffic flow, blithely ensconced in the left
right when a hole opens in the traffic snarl THEY created.
privilege.  Welcome to America! ;-)

Yea, those people are usually driving along while talking on their cell
phone oblivious to the traffic around them. Some people should just not be
allowed to have a license.

Zardo

Learning to drive in America!

by Zardo » Mon, 04 Feb 2002 21:45:01


That is one scenario. There is also the madman speeder who weaves in and
out. passing left and right just so they can reach their  destination one
minute quicker. I have to drive on the 401, which is said to be the busiest
stretch of highway in NA, and have to deal with these people all the time.
Some people are too intimitated by the 401 to even go on it and I have to
admit that the bad habits of some drivers make it a bad place to be.

Gary Stephenso

Learning to drive in America!

by Gary Stephenso » Mon, 04 Feb 2002 23:40:37




> > FWIW, I'm planning on coming to the UK the first week of April to attend
> > a convention in the Bristol, area. I'm scared shitless at the thought of
> > driving a car out of Gatwick or Heathrow. (My experiences at Chicago's
> > O'Hare airport is the primary reason for my fears. I'll be flying out of
> > Milwaukee this time.) I guess I'll just drive like I'm at Silverstone...
> > isn't that an old airport?

> > Wish me luck :-)

> > Gary Stephenson

> I'd just like to say that if you are driving in or around London, the rest
> of the UK doesn't drive quite like that ;-)

> If you can survive the M25 and still be sane, you'll have achieved
> something.

> Pat.
> Southampton, UK.

Quit it...you're frightening me!
Eldre

Learning to drive in America!

by Eldre » Tue, 05 Feb 2002 00:13:12


writes:

The 401 going to Toronto?  I've driven that a few times - I didn't think it was
that bad...
Maybe I'm one of the madmen you're talking about...<g>

Eldred
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Eldre

Learning to drive in America!

by Eldre » Tue, 05 Feb 2002 00:13:12


writes:

I've read somewhere that it's improper to use the horn to get someone like that
out of the way.  Same with someone who doesn't make the right turn on red.  If
you honk at someone, and a cop sees it, *you* might get a ticket... :(

Eldred
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Alex Kihuran

Learning to drive in America!

by Alex Kihuran » Tue, 05 Feb 2002 00:20:56



> > The biggest problem with driving in America as I see it is the fact that
> > everything is so over-regulated.  I don't think this will impact YOU
> > directly, but understand it does radically change the abilities of
> > Americans.  I'm mean, it would affect you if you stayed here long
enough,
> > but doesn't sound like you will.

> I don't have any long-term plans, I've been to America once before - but I
> never really paid much attention to the driving. I didn't drive.

> > What I mean is, in America, the government is doing everything in its
> power
> > to remove any decision making responsibility from the driver.  Most of
the
> > time, you don't have to think about what you're doing because you have
all
> > kinds of "aids" to help you.  I mean, you don't have to worry about is
it
> > safe to pass because the stripe in the center of the road will tell you.

> Kewl.

> > You don't have to worry about is it safe to turn left, because the
traffic
> > arrow will tell you.  You don't have to worry about is it safe to go
thru
> > the intersection, because either there is a light or they are all being
> > converted to 4-way stop.  You don't have to worry about how safe to go
> thru
> > a turn, because the corner speed is marked.  You don't have to worry
about
> > how fast to go straight, because the speed limit is posted.

> It is posted in Kilometers/Hour isn't it?

> What confuses me is the traffic lights. Anyone got a good website or
> something to explain how those damn things work? Lots of lights dangling
> over lanes... can you signal to move from lande to lane as you do in

Europe?

Nope, in Miles per hour. We Yanks don't use the metric system unless we're
in a Science class or something ;)

Traffic lights are easy. When the light is green, you go, when the light is
yellow, you put the pedal to the floor and try to beat the red light ;)
(Just kidding, but that's what everyone does. Yellow is a warning that Red
is coming soon, so you should prepare to stop if you're far away) The red
light is stop, but you can make a right turn with traffic (when your light
is red, the other is green and vise-versa) and on one-way streets going left
you can make a left turn with traffic. If it isn't a one way street, you
must wait for the green light to turn left.

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Never heard of these, basically all the roads you will see that aren't
highways are full 2 lane, smooth roads. Even the roads in the forest are
being converted to these.

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We have stop signs, and cross walks your supposed to stop behind, so
pedestrians can cross the street safely. There are also traffic lights.

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GMpartsgu

Learning to drive in America!

by GMpartsgu » Tue, 05 Feb 2002 01:57:16

think we dont use the metric system ?
 engine sizes in american cars are listed as litres instead of CID anymore.
and take a good ol american socket set under the hood of that same american
car and see how many bolts they actually fit !! :) how about those 2 litre
bottles of soda that festoon the store shelves ?
 its easier to subtract 25mm from 12cm than it is to subtract 3/8 from
27/64ths anyway.. heheeee
Marc Collin

Learning to drive in America!

by Marc Collin » Tue, 05 Feb 2002 04:06:40

The 401 near Toronto is pretty much a constant jam-up, all day long.  Yes,
there is too much traffic caused by unending suburban sprawl, but at least
half of the problem is caused by ignorance of the rules of the road and
ignorance toward fellow drivers.

So long as people can't follow a simple pattern like keep right except to
pass and can't learn to merge with moving traffic properly, we will have
chaos and walking-pace driving on our expressways.  You can either become
road raged at the morons blocking your way or turn into a dazed zombie and
start eating, shaving, blabbering on your phone, paying attention to your
music, half sleeping, etc., which regular commuters tend to do since they
don't want to burst a *** vessel each and every day.

I use the subway most of the time, but do have to drive the highways of this
city usually one day a week...I would rather live in a closet than have to
commute from the burbs through that congestion and stupidity twice a day.

There are crazy drivers who weave in and out and make a nuisance of
themselves--about .1% of the cars do that.  They are trying to get around
the 50% who are asleep at the wheel blocking the way.  The other 49.9%,
within which I count myself, are stuck just trying to escape as quickly as
possible.

Even during off hours, when the traffic is much lighter, it only takes one
or two of the morons travelling beside a truck or two to jam up the whole
road for quite a distance back...of course causing all sorts of potential
accidents in the process.  "But I am driving the speed limit or less" is
their rationale that allows them to ignore all others on the road.

If I were in charge, we would adopt Germany's driving licence test and
system.  Honest to god, 90% of the people in Toronto and Detroit would lose
their license.  The difference between Europe and here is that bad...

Marc



Pat

Learning to drive in America!

by Pat » Tue, 05 Feb 2002 06:09:42



> > I'd just like to say that if you are driving in or around London, the
rest
> > of the UK doesn't drive quite like that ;-)

> > If you can survive the M25 and still be sane, you'll have achieved
> > something.

> > Pat.
> > Southampton, UK.

> Quit it...you're frightening me!

Seriously though, I don't think either you or the original poster will have
trouble adapting to each other's situations.  The basic concept is the
same - clutch on the left, brake in the middle, accelerator on the right,
big wheel to manouvre with, no problem :-)

Just take it slow at first, until you get used to being on the other side of
the road anyway...  FYI even though the motorway speed limit is 70mph most
people drive at 80 or 90 in the right-hand lanes, but I wouldn't do that
until you clear London as there are speed cameras on the M25 now (the M25 is
the motorway which circulates the capital).

Pat.

Zardo

Learning to drive in America!

by Zardo » Tue, 05 Feb 2002 06:10:25



Through TO during rush hour? It's horrendous.

http://www.city.toronto.on.ca/toronto_overview/transportation.htm
Highway 401, an east-west highway that facilitates travel to the north of
Toronto, is one of the three busiest freeways in North America.
Approximately 300,000 vehicles travel on it on an average weekday.

http://www.urban-renaissance.org/urbanren/index.cfm?DSP=content&Conte...
66

He's planning to relieve congestion on Highway 401, the world's busiest
highway, by building a parallel route north of Highway 407.

Yea, that's why you are defending passing on the right. I bet you even drive
up on the shoulder to get by someone on the right.:-)


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