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Learning to drive in America!

Liddle Fees

Learning to drive in America!

by Liddle Fees » Sun, 03 Feb 2002 04:01:23

Hi all, hope this is the right froup to ask :)

I'm getting married this year, and myself and my fiance are honeymooning in
San Diego, California. We are both from England (finance was originally
from Canada), but are a wee bit anxious about driving in the 'states.

Does anyone know of any simulation which would be reasonable for driving
around the streets of a californian city? I've tried downloading Driver (1)
for the PC, but for some reason the controls (I have USB keyboard & mouse)
are erratic - they keep 'sticking', and 'lagging'... odd behaviour. Apart
from that - the LA driving in "Driver" is perfect :)

Does anyone know of a replacement sim for US (right hand side of the road)
driving? Preferably one with traffic lights, and LA or San Diego maps would
be a bonus!

Many thanks in advance,

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Rob Adam

Learning to drive in America!

by Rob Adam » Sun, 03 Feb 2002 04:10:39


Midtown Madness 2 might be some of what you're looking for. It does have
traffic lights, but the general theme of the game is to DISOBEY all traffic
laws. So ignore the other drivers, they are even more idiotic than most real
life drivers.

I think that except for driving on the "wrong" side of the road, you'll find
driving in the States easier than in England. No traffic circles, and the
cities are designed around the roads unlike England where the cities were
there LONG before the invention of the car...

Tony Whitle

Learning to drive in America!

by Tony Whitle » Sun, 03 Feb 2002 04:09:39

Don't worry about it, I've driven around SD and LA quite a bit and the whole
thing is so laid back there's nothing to it. Just drive at 50% of your UK
pace, and remember to stop at Stop signs even if there's no-one in sight.
The greater danger is when you get home, relax, then drive off down the
wrong side of the road (I know, I've done it...)

Tony Whitley
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imaswinge

Learning to drive in America!

by imaswinge » Sun, 03 Feb 2002 04:27:54

Rent the movie LA Story by Steve Martin for some LA driving lessons.

:-)

curtis




> > Hi all, hope this is the right froup to ask :)

> > I'm getting married this year, and myself and my fiance are
honeymooning
> in
> > San Diego, California. We are both from England (finance was originally
> > from Canada), but are a wee bit anxious about driving in the 'states.

> > Does anyone know of any simulation which would be reasonable for driving
> > around the streets of a californian city? I've tried downloading Driver
> (1)
> > for the PC, but for some reason the controls (I have USB keyboard &
mouse)
> > are erratic - they keep 'sticking', and 'lagging'... odd behaviour.
Apart
> > from that - the LA driving in "Driver" is perfect :)

> > Does anyone know of a replacement sim for US (right hand side of the
road)
> > driving? Preferably one with traffic lights, and LA or San Diego maps
> would
> > be a bonus!

> Midtown Madness 2 might be some of what you're looking for. It does have
> traffic lights, but the general theme of the game is to DISOBEY all
traffic
> laws. So ignore the other drivers, they are even more idiotic than most
real
> life drivers.

> I think that except for driving on the "wrong" side of the road, you'll
find
> driving in the States easier than in England. No traffic circles, and the
> cities are designed around the roads unlike England where the cities were
> there LONG before the invention of the car...

Liddle Fees

Learning to drive in America!

by Liddle Fees » Sun, 03 Feb 2002 05:15:57


> Rent the movie LA Story by Steve Martin for some LA driving lessons.

Steve Martin? Superb! Okay!

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Liddle Fees

Learning to drive in America!

by Liddle Fees » Sun, 03 Feb 2002 05:16:43


> Midtown Madness 2 might be some of what you're looking for. It does have
> traffic lights, but the general theme of the game is to DISOBEY all
traffic
> laws. So ignore the other drivers, they are even more idiotic than most
real
> life drivers.

> I think that except for driving on the "wrong" side of the road, you'll
find
> driving in the States easier than in England. No traffic circles, and the
> cities are designed around the roads unlike England where the cities were
> there LONG before the invention of the car...

That's comforting to know. Those roundabouts - there's one in Florida - a
famous one, for accident blackspots! It's on the net somewhere....

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Liddle Fees

Learning to drive in America!

by Liddle Fees » Sun, 03 Feb 2002 05:17:47


> Don't worry about it, I've driven around SD and LA quite a bit and the
whole
> thing is so laid back there's nothing to it. Just drive at 50% of your UK
> pace, and remember to stop at Stop signs even if there's no-one in sight.
> The greater danger is when you get home, relax, then drive off down the
> wrong side of the road (I know, I've done it...)

50% of UK Speed huh? Hmm, thing is - isn't the speed limit there 55mph or
something? That's well slow! All those beeg cars too!

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btgos

Learning to drive in America!

by btgos » Sun, 03 Feb 2002 05:30:44

Someone grabbed my LA Story line.

Let's see...think.... Driving in Cali....umm.... small arms... body
armor.... um.. I mean armour.... And if you see Kelsey Grammar or Halli
Barry on the road... ditch the car.

Seriously. Sierra has or had a Driver's Ed title. Not sure what the name
is/was, but you could check their site.

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> > Midtown Madness 2 might be some of what you're looking for. It does have
> > traffic lights, but the general theme of the game is to DISOBEY all
> traffic
> > laws. So ignore the other drivers, they are even more idiotic than most
> real
> > life drivers.

> > I think that except for driving on the "wrong" side of the road, you'll
> find
> > driving in the States easier than in England. No traffic circles, and
the
> > cities are designed around the roads unlike England where the cities
were
> > there LONG before the invention of the car...

> That's comforting to know. Those roundabouts - there's one in Florida - a
> famous one, for accident blackspots! It's on the net somewhere....

> --
> Liddle Feesh
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Tony Jeste

Learning to drive in America!

by Tony Jeste » Sun, 03 Feb 2002 06:41:08

The biggest problem with driving in America as I see it is the fact that
everything is so over-regulated.  I don't think this will impact YOU
directly, but understand it does radically change the abilities of
Americans.  I'm mean, it would affect you if you stayed here long enough,
but doesn't sound like you will.

What I mean is, in America, the government is doing everything in its power
to remove any decision making responsibility from the driver.  Most of the
time, you don't have to think about what you're doing because you have all
kinds of "aids" to help you.  I mean, you don't have to worry about is it
safe to pass because the stripe in the center of the road will tell you.
You don't have to worry about is it safe to turn left, because the traffic
arrow will tell you.  You don't have to worry about is it safe to go thru
the intersection, because either there is a light or they are all being
converted to 4-way stop.  You don't have to worry about how safe to go thru
a turn, because the corner speed is marked.  You don't have to worry about
how fast to go straight, because the speed limit is posted.  You don't have
to worry about can I get on the freeway because it is metered.  I guess in
theory this might be safer (in the mind of your average moronic bureaucrat
anyway) but in practice it results in a very noticable degradation in
driving ability and turns drivers into pre-programmed robots that have a
very hard time dealing with any situation that is somehow "out of the
ordinary".

So here is the problem:  *You* (Liddle) are driving down the road.  *You*
(Liddle) approach one of the few intersections that is not 4-way stop.  Say
it is 2-way, or 3-way (the worst) .  You notice it for what it is, a 3-way
stop (because in Europe you have to pay attention to this kind of thing).
You notice you are not required to stop, but the other drivers are.  BUT the
American moron already stopped at the same intersection at a 90 degree angle
from you is so programed by all the 4-way stops he's so used to, he just *as
sumes* you will stop and pulls right out right in front of you.  You T-bone
him.

That's just an example.  The point is they're trying to turn us into cattle
and we're beginning to respond.  So when you get here, just remember to
drive like everybody else is a cow and you should be OK.

-Tony-

P.S.  Better make that an *armed* cow.  Remember, an armed society is a
POLITE society.  I'm sure you'll do fine, just remember to mind your
manners.


Rob Adam

Learning to drive in America!

by Rob Adam » Sun, 03 Feb 2002 06:50:44

Hey Liddle? Maybe you should come to Canada instead. We're unarmed and yet
somehow still manage to be VERY polite.


> The biggest problem with driving in America as I see it is the fact that
> everything is so over-regulated.  I don't think this will impact YOU
> directly, but understand it does radically change the abilities of
> Americans.  I'm mean, it would affect you if you stayed here long enough,
> but doesn't sound like you will.

> What I mean is, in America, the government is doing everything in its
power
> to remove any decision making responsibility from the driver.  Most of the
> time, you don't have to think about what you're doing because you have all
> kinds of "aids" to help you.  I mean, you don't have to worry about is it
> safe to pass because the stripe in the center of the road will tell you.
> You don't have to worry about is it safe to turn left, because the traffic
> arrow will tell you.  You don't have to worry about is it safe to go thru
> the intersection, because either there is a light or they are all being
> converted to 4-way stop.  You don't have to worry about how safe to go
thru
> a turn, because the corner speed is marked.  You don't have to worry about
> how fast to go straight, because the speed limit is posted.  You don't
have
> to worry about can I get on the freeway because it is metered.  I guess in
> theory this might be safer (in the mind of your average moronic bureaucrat
> anyway) but in practice it results in a very noticable degradation in
> driving ability and turns drivers into pre-programmed robots that have a
> very hard time dealing with any situation that is somehow "out of the
> ordinary".

> So here is the problem:  *You* (Liddle) are driving down the road.  *You*
> (Liddle) approach one of the few intersections that is not 4-way stop.
Say
> it is 2-way, or 3-way (the worst) .  You notice it for what it is, a 3-way
> stop (because in Europe you have to pay attention to this kind of thing).
> You notice you are not required to stop, but the other drivers are.  BUT
the
> American moron already stopped at the same intersection at a 90 degree
angle
> from you is so programed by all the 4-way stops he's so used to, he just
*as
> sumes* you will stop and pulls right out right in front of you.  You
T-bone
> him.

> That's just an example.  The point is they're trying to turn us into
cattle
> and we're beginning to respond.  So when you get here, just remember to
> drive like everybody else is a cow and you should be OK.

> -Tony-

> P.S.  Better make that an *armed* cow.  Remember, an armed society is a
> POLITE society.  I'm sure you'll do fine, just remember to mind your
> manners.



> > Hi all, hope this is the right froup to ask :)

> > I'm getting married this year, and myself and my fiance are
honeymooning
> in
> > San Diego, California. We are both from England (finance was originally
> > from Canada), but are a wee bit anxious about driving in the 'states.

> > Does anyone know of any simulation which would be reasonable for driving
> > around the streets of a californian city? I've tried downloading Driver
> (1)
> > for the PC, but for some reason the controls (I have USB keyboard &
mouse)
> > are erratic - they keep 'sticking', and 'lagging'... odd behaviour.
Apart
> > from that - the LA driving in "Driver" is perfect :)

> > Does anyone know of a replacement sim for US (right hand side of the
road)
> > driving? Preferably one with traffic lights, and LA or San Diego maps
> would
> > be a bonus!

> > Many thanks in advance,

> > --
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Liddle Fees

Learning to drive in America!

by Liddle Fees » Sun, 03 Feb 2002 07:00:56


> Hey Liddle? Maybe you should come to Canada instead. We're unarmed and yet
> somehow still manage to be VERY polite.

Hey, my finace comes from Canada, I hear lots of wonderful things about it!

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Liddle Fees

Learning to drive in America!

by Liddle Fees » Sun, 03 Feb 2002 07:06:21


> The biggest problem with driving in America as I see it is the fact that
> everything is so over-regulated.  I don't think this will impact YOU
> directly, but understand it does radically change the abilities of
> Americans.  I'm mean, it would affect you if you stayed here long enough,
> but doesn't sound like you will.

I don't have any long-term plans, I've been to America once before - but I
never really paid much attention to the driving. I didn't drive.

Kewl.

It is posted in Kilometers/Hour isn't it?

What confuses me is the traffic lights. Anyone got a good website or
something to explain how those damn things work? Lots of lights dangling
over lanes... can you signal to move from lande to lane as you do in Europe?

Do you have multi-storey car parks? Conventional day-to-day driving in the
UK requires (me at least) to navigate some horrendous country lanes (often
less than a car and a half wide), up to dual carriageways (freeways) and
motorways (interstates). I've driven in France before, that's was a bit of a
knightmare... Fun, but strange...

How do I know when I am required to stop? In England we have double dashed
lines, and >stop< signs... What are your car parks like?

Hehe, Fast cows.

Politeness switched on :)

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Jonny Hodgso

Learning to drive in America!

by Jonny Hodgso » Sun, 03 Feb 2002 07:09:20


> Hi all, hope this is the right froup to ask :)

Is that anything like a 'hoopy frood'? ;-)

Well, it terms of driving 'on the wrong side', I've taken my RHD
car to both France and Belgium and it quickly comes pretty naturally
- even roundabouts are fine.  The only problems I've had, have come
when I've got lost and done a three-point turn - then set off on my
merry way on the left hand side of the road again!

Oh yes - the other thing you might have to watch for in the States
is that 'right on red' rule; at least it's not as dozy as the French
'priorite a droite'!

As for LHD cars: I get to find out about that when I go to Italy in a
few months :-)

Jonny

GMpartsgu

Learning to drive in America!

by GMpartsgu » Sun, 03 Feb 2002 08:57:01

Midtown Madness 1 or 2 is good for learning to drive on the wrong side of
the road in the right country. Or is that right side of the road in the
wrong country ?
Phil Teschn

Learning to drive in America!

by Phil Teschn » Sun, 03 Feb 2002 09:00:05

A couple interesting things to keep in mind that are different:
    - Speeds are in miles per hour (are they in kmh in the UK?)
    - (!) You are allowed to turn right at a red light after having
come to a complete stop at the light. (!)
    - You are allowed to turn left at a red light if you are in a
one-way street going onto a one-way-street.
    - Pedestrians have the right of way and, unlike some places in
Europe that I've been to, it's not uncommon for people to simply step
in front of your car, especially if you are driving slowly.
    - (!) People are allowed to pass you on the right (!) (like
passing on the left in the UK I suppose).

Phil


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