rec.autos.simulators

Scott....

I couldn't find it either.....as reported by several others in the last two
days.  Is it no longer on the site?

TP

PS:  We should probably update it for N2002......don't you think?

Sorry Tom...  Been busy and haven't read the group in a few days.   We took
the PSMag site down quite awhile ago and I don't think that guide is located
anywhere on the Pits site any longer.

I have to admit to losing alot of interest in sim racing over the last year
or two, so I had/have no interest in running a site.

I like NR2002 alot, but I still haven't been sim racing as much as I use to.
I actually spend more time playing WWII Onlne than racing.  ;)    I was
hoping I'd find the e***ment I use to have on TEN when NR2002 came out on
OLR (Onlineracin.com).. but that hasn't happened as OLR has not taken off
real well as they seem to promote the "gamers" atmosphere with 10% races
with no cautions or damage.  *shrugs*

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Scott B. Husted
ICQ# 4395450
http://www.racesimcentral.net/

Wow, Scott....hate to lose you to sim racing.  I hope your interest will be
rekindled somehow, some way.  I know I felt similarly to you a couple times
over the last year........but work we're doing at PR got me through it.  The
fragmentation of the sim racing community through the loss of a "TEN-like"
central place to meet for casual pickup racing and "community".......without
all the "gamers"......has been a major loss, IMHO.  I'm not sure I have
"answers" any better than others......but we'll be trying to fix this over
the next year.

Keep in touch....

Tom

If Scott actually thinks WW2 Online is more fun than online racing,
all hope is lost for him :-/
Man, WW2 online must be the biggest pile of ***I ever played!

Andre

I'll still be around.. I'm just not racing online much since as you stated,
the community is extremely fragmented.  I have some friends racing here,
some there, some not at all, some only offline, etc.   I miss logging on to
TEN and knowing I could find all the "group" around and racing.

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Scott B. Husted
PA-Scott
ICQ# 4395450
http://www.racesimcentral.net/

"community".......without

Have you tried it lately or just initially?  I just began playing over the
last month after being "harrassed" by Tom Wheeler to try it out.  <G>  It
has a steep learning curve but once you learn, its alot of fun.   If you are
looking for cutting edge graphics, then no..  WWIIO is definitely not for
you.  I love hopping in a Matilda and blowing German PZ to bits.   Ranking
doesn't mean a whole lot,  but I'm a Captain and about 1/3 progress towards
being Major.

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Scott B. Husted
PA-Scott
ICQ# 4395450
http://www.racesimcentral.net/

"community".......without

On Mon, 11 Mar 2002 16:51:57 GMT, "Scott B. Husted"

I tried it a month or so ago, there was this free 2-week subscription
deal. I really don't care for funky graphics or stuff like that, it
was really the gameplay of WW2 online that disappointed me so much.
I must admit it was very confusing what the actual goal was, as a
soldier I run around not knowing who the enemy was, and the numerous
other players online didn't seem to know what the goal was either.
I tried the tanks, the controls were frustrating and silly, and the
airplane physics reminded me of the first flightsims I played on my
C64.

Have you ever tried Operation Flashpoint? That's my favorite online
fps, I had some fantastic online battles, but unfortunately the
multiplayer of OF is a bit unstable/buggy and you can't join a battle
in progress. Not much good when people disco so much :-/

Perhaps if I would give WW2 online more time I would have started to
like it, but after 2 weeks testing I decided it was junk :)

Andre

Andre,

WWIIO has a VERY steep learning curve.  I was frustrated too the first
nights I was on. Didn't know how to exit the game, what did what, etc.  The
documentation is horrible.

However, I use my HOTAS for tanks, flying, etc and its very easy to
configure.  You just go into keymapper, select the item you want to set by
double clicking, then you just push the botton, or whatever on the device
you want to use to control that.    It's pretty easy to determine the enemy.
If you don't see a name above or around it... it's the enemy.  ;)       I
thought the flight model was pretty well done.  I think its the same guys
from either aces high or warbirds.. not 100% sure on that though.   It
reminded me quite a bit of Combat Flight Simulator 2.  The only problem I
had was before I built this new machine,  my fps would go to nill in flight
as the flight model, along with firing, etc really taxes the system.

They have a "bootcamp" channel on the radio (very important to learn the
radio, channels, etc) that you report to a location and someone takes you
through the basics.  VERY helpful.   Tune your radio to HQ channel and you
will see alot of the allied (or axis) commands and you can 'hear' where the
battles are,  where they need help,  armor or infantry, etc.    Selecting
missions is the best way to know what you are doing.  It specifies your
target and objectives as well as where your spawn point is.   Having a squad
is even better.

They now have a dynamic map up at www.wwiionline.com where you ca see where
the lines are drawn,  supply routes, who owns what city or bases, etc.

It's not perfect, thats for sure.  But I enjoy it and try and play a few
times a week when I can.  But then again, I'm not "as" picky with my ***
as I am when it comes to sim racing.   ;)

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Scott B. Husted
PA-Scott
ICQ# 4395450
http://www.racesimcentral.net/

I hear you...on that account.

TP

On Mon, 11 Mar 2002 19:55:45 GMT, "Scott B. Husted"

Sounds familiar.

What I missed was sound. The battlefield was too silent to get an
indication about the current situation. I also missed traces and
explosions, so when I got hit it was always a surprise.

The flightmodel is very basic IMO. It's also quite annoying when you
start in the hangar with another pilot. Most of the time you got
tangled with the other plane, so it was impossible to leave the
hangar.  The few times I got in the air I never saw a soul on the
ground or in the air.

The problem with tanks for me was that I couldn't see a thing through
those thiny keyholes.

In the end, I didn't have fun playing ww2o. Of course, I'm happy for
you  you enjoy it. After all, that's what's all about.

Remco

On Mon, 11 Mar 2002 19:55:45 GMT, "Scott B. Husted"

You tell me.. but GPL and IL2 had very steep learning curves too, yet
from the beginning it was obvious both sims were worth the invested
time. I tried WW2 for 2 weeks, it was far from impressive and the huge
amount of bugs and disconnections didn't help much either :-/

A typical combat session for me went like this:
- wait a long while untill finally a truck comes to pick me up
- wait untill the truck arrives at the battlefield (10-15 minutes)
- get shot before I can even leave the truck
- wait untill the game reloads
- etc etc

Or:
- walk around for 2 hours without finding a single enemy

I never used those radio channels though (couldn't be bothered reading
that manual with the size of War&Peace) so I guess after reading your
post that when you invest the time in it, it can be fun.
But I rather invest my time in some hardly-needed N2002 practice :)

Andre

Remco, you're ALIVE !!!

Btw, something odd happened with my first WW2 online experience..
Remco and I both downloaded and installed WW2 at the same time. We
went online without telling each other which mission we would choose.

So the battlefield of WW2 is huge right? Well, within 5 minutes Remco
and I bumped into each other somewhere in Antwerpen..

I was stuck in a truck (couldn't find the 'start engine' button nor
the 'exit this damn vehicle' button) and remco was standing in front
of me. I asked him to shoot me so i could at least restart the damn
game.. With a stupid grin on his face he emptied all his magazines on
me but I didn't die. Finally I found the exit game button combination!
(ctrl+alt+delete)

Andre

Hmm... other than the occasional sound bug (yeah, there are still a few bugs
<G>).. I like the sounds.  Hearing fire in the distance, the sound of the
planes dive bombing, the mg chatter,  trying to determine if that engine
sound you hear is from a friendly armor or a enemy, etc.   If you are hit
with the bomb.. you won't hear anything.  As you shouldnt.  LOL     But I
most certainly here them when they are near by.  Scares the ***out of me
when I'm not expecting it.   When a chokepoint is under heavy ***.. the
sound environment can be quite confusing, like I imagine a war would be.

I can't say I have ever encountered that problem, however I don't fly all
that much.  I'm usually in armor are doing infantry on defense.

Wow.  One of my complaints being an ally is there are way too many enemy
stuka's overhead  ;)

LOL.  You need to use the viewers  ;)     Each position in the tank you can
open and close keyholes.  But also, certain positions, mainly the driver and
gunner, have 2 levels of site you can use.  Pushing the "." button 'zooms'
out the view for you.   The Matilda has absolutely amazing viewing as you
can open the front hatch and have almost a full 180 degrees of viewing
freedom.

Absolutely and the game still has problems, that's for sure.  But they are
working on them and keep adding new equipment, tinkering with spawn limits,
etc.   The real key is to be organized with the structure of others.  I
think just jumping in an fighting as a "lone wolf" can and would be on the
boring side as this is definitely not a fps.

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Scott B. Husted
PA-Scott
ICQ# 4395450
http://www.racesimcentral.net/

On Tue, 12 Mar 2002 18:46:23 GMT, "Scott B. Husted"

Then something was wrong on my end, since I heard nothing beside my
own fire.

 Opening the hatches, and hopping to different places wasn't a
problem. But I didn't know about the zoom feature, that explains some
things. Some tanks you could stick your head out to get a better view,

but this didn't work for that French beast.

Agreed.

Remco