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In at the deep end! - gpl

Hywe

In at the deep end! - gpl

by Hywe » Sun, 11 Oct 1998 04:00:00

Hi

I bought gpl yesterday, and I have played it for about 3 / 4 hours (I have
been working a lot this weekend).

Today, I did a 1,35.06 at monza in the ferarri, and was fairly pleased with
myself.

I started off with realistic damage on, no driver aids, manual shifting, and
the grand prix mode car.

My point is, I don`t see the reason to use any of the aids, or a lower
powered car etc, because you get set in your ways. If you learn in the slow
car with the computer helping you all the time, you will not learn how to
drive the car, you will learn how to let the computer drive the car.

There is nothing better than to just whack everything to the most realistic
level, and take it from there.

Thats what I think anyway.

Bye!

Jaso

In at the deep end! - gpl

by Jaso » Sun, 11 Oct 1998 04:00:00


> Hi

> I bought gpl yesterday, and I have played it for about 3 / 4 hours (I have
> been working a lot this weekend).

> Today, I did a 1,35.06 at monza in the ferarri, and was fairly pleased with
> myself.

> I started off with realistic damage on, no driver aids, manual shifting, and
> the grand prix mode car.

> My point is, I don`t see the reason to use any of the aids, or a lower
> powered car etc, because you get set in your ways. If you learn in the slow
> car with the computer helping you all the time, you will not learn how to
> drive the car, you will learn how to let the computer drive the car.

> There is nothing better than to just whack everything to the most realistic
> level, and take it from there.

> Thats what I think anyway.

> Bye!

Hope you never become a driver instructor when those youngsters go to get
their learner's license! :)
LLam5559

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by LLam5559 » Sun, 11 Oct 1998 04:00:00

Hy,

(hehehe)

1.35.06 at Monza after only 45 minutes with the game, all realism on?  Was that
in a race, or just hotlapping in practice mode?

Excuse me, but my willing suspension of disbelief is having a hard time coming
to terms with this.

I can think of only 3 things that would explain this.

1 - You're full of sh*t

2 - You're a natural-born F1 driver, in which case you should be racing for
real instead of playing games

3 - You've had the Monza demo version for some time, and have Monza down cold,
and neglected to mention this

Please understand, I'm not flaming you.  Your claim as implied in your post may
be perfectly true for all I know. But, knowing what I know about the game it
calls for an extreme stretch of my imagination to believe it.

BTW, I agree100%  with your view of not using driving aids, and going for max
realism and damage from the start.  That is what I have done basically (I _did_
spend the 1st day with the AT after being thoroughly humiliated by the GP car)
There's nothing like jumping in the deep end if you wanna learn how to swim:)
But my Monza times don't even approach yours...

How about a replay?  Do you have one?  If you're really that good, I'd like to
see you drive.  Maybe I'd learn something.  How 'bout it? <G>

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Juli

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by Juli » Sun, 11 Oct 1998 04:00:00

Well you better in a hurry :o)
Dave Mansell has done a 1:28 something in the Lotus.
I myself have done a 1:22.98 in the ferrari with a joystick (ill give
you the relpay if you want)

Julian
aka Juju
http://gpl.cjb.net

Adam

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by Adam » Sun, 11 Oct 1998 04:00:00

I think he meant to say 3 / 4 hours AS IN.......3 to 4 hours.  NOT 45
minutes.



>Hy,

>(hehehe)

>1.35.06 at Monza after only 45 minutes with the game, all realism on?  Was
that
>in a race, or just hotlapping in practice mode?

>Excuse me, but my willing suspension of disbelief is having a hard time
coming
>to terms with this.

>I can think of only 3 things that would explain this.

>1 - You're full of sh*t

>2 - You're a natural-born F1 driver, in which case you should be racing for
>real instead of playing games

>3 - You've had the Monza demo version for some time, and have Monza down
cold,
>and neglected to mention this

>Please understand, I'm not flaming you.  Your claim as implied in your post
may
>be perfectly true for all I know. But, knowing what I know about the game
it
>calls for an extreme stretch of my imagination to believe it.

>BTW, I agree100%  with your view of not using driving aids, and going for
max
>realism and damage from the start.  That is what I have done basically (I
_did_
>spend the 1st day with the AT after being thoroughly humiliated by the GP
car)
>There's nothing like jumping in the deep end if you wanna learn how to
swim:)
>But my Monza times don't even approach yours...

>How about a replay?  Do you have one?  If you're really that good, I'd like
to
>see you drive.  Maybe I'd learn something.  How 'bout it? <G>

>>Hi

>>I bought gpl yesterday, and I have played it for about 3 / 4 hours (I have
>>been working a lot this weekend).

>>Today, I did a 1,35.06 at monza in the ferarri, and was fairly pleased
with
>>myself.

>>I started off with realistic damage on, no driver aids, manual shifting,
and
>>the grand prix mode car.

>>My point is, I don`t see the reason to use any of the aids, or a lower
>>powered car etc, because you get set in your ways. If you learn in the
slow
>>car with the computer helping you all the time, you will not learn how to
>>drive the car, you will learn how to let the computer drive the car.

>>There is nothing better than to just whack everything to the most
realistic
>>level, and take it from there.

>>Thats what I think anyway.

>>Bye!

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Jerry Moreloc

In at the deep end! - gpl

by Jerry Moreloc » Sun, 11 Oct 1998 04:00:00

I did basically the same as you, but not everyone has been driving ***
sims for the past several years.  While I agree with you on chucking the
driving aids, I certainly recognize that beginners probably need to start
out with the training cars.  Their inclusion probably greatly decreases the
frustration factor for those folks.  It would be interesting to hear how the
absolute beginners approach this sim.

Jerry Morelock


>Hi

>I bought gpl yesterday, and I have played it for about 3 / 4 hours (I have
>been working a lot this weekend).

>Today, I did a 1,35.06 at monza in the ferarri, and was fairly pleased with
>myself.

>I started off with realistic damage on, no driver aids, manual shifting,
and
>the grand prix mode car.

>My point is, I don`t see the reason to use any of the aids, or a lower
>powered car etc, because you get set in your ways. If you learn in the slow
>car with the computer helping you all the time, you will not learn how to
>drive the car, you will learn how to let the computer drive the car.

>There is nothing better than to just whack everything to the most realistic
>level, and take it from there.

>Thats what I think anyway.

>Bye!

Grant Reev

In at the deep end! - gpl

by Grant Reev » Mon, 12 Oct 1998 04:00:00



> Hy,

> (hehehe)

> 1.35.06 at Monza after only 45 minutes with the game, all realism on?  Was that
> in a race, or just hotlapping in practice mode?

> Excuse me, but my willing suspension of disbelief is having a hard time coming
> to terms with this.

> I can think of only 3 things that would explain this.

> 1 - You're full of sh*t

> 2 - You're a natural-born F1 driver, in which case you should be racing for
> real instead of playing games

> 3 - You've had the Monza demo version for some time, and have Monza down cold,
> and neglected to mention this

or, perhaps,

4 - he's simply driving carefully and sensibly. a 1:35 is some 6-7
seconds off fastest pace, and I could easily imagine a cautious
person doing laps this fast after just 45 minutes.

DPHI

In at the deep end! - gpl

by DPHI » Mon, 12 Oct 1998 04:00:00

Well, I wouldn't consider myself a beginner, I've been driving sims for about a
year (GP2, F1RS, TOCA, ICR2 etc) but I can't be considered "hard core" either,
I just don't have the time necessary to really be an expert at these things,
however I hate using driver aids, they ruin the feel of a good sim.

After buying GPL last weekend, I started out in the GP cars and had my head
handed to me<vbg>. I was trying to learn the new circuits and also taking in
all the new scenery and was just too distracted to take on the full GP cars. I
switched to the trainers, picked a couple of tracks to concentrate on and put
in as much practice time as I could during the week. Yesterday I moved up the
the GP cars again and found the going much easier. I was even able to qualify
on the front row in a couple of races. My starts are getting better, now I need
to work on finishing a race without crashing out! I love this sim!

-don

"To race is to live, everything else is just waiting." - Rudi Caracciola

Christer Andersso

In at the deep end! - gpl

by Christer Andersso » Mon, 12 Oct 1998 04:00:00

I would love to see the 1:22, Julian ;o)

/Christer


> I myself have done a 1:22.98 in the ferrari with a joystick (ill give
> you the relpay if you want)

> Julian
> aka Juju
> http://gpl.cjb.net

--
http://home4.swipnet.se/~w-41236/ (Read all about the "Global online
racing"-proposal under "For developers". Read it a couple of times, cause noone
has understood it the first time they've read it yet :o))
Hywe

In at the deep end! - gpl

by Hywe » Mon, 12 Oct 1998 04:00:00

No, as the guy below (later posting) suggests, I meant 3 to 4 hours,
hotlapping.

Only until i take a ***

Hmm, Nice thought ....

I have had the monza & watkins glen demos for some time, but I neglected to
mention this simply because I also have windows 98, and the two failed to co
operate.

Not for the 1.35 but I bettered it to 1.33.36 in the lotus, and I have the
replay. If you want it, then just e-mail me.


Hywe

In at the deep end! - gpl

by Hywe » Mon, 12 Oct 1998 04:00:00

I just had a look, and I have a few hotlap replays saved which were taken
AFTER the 1.35.06

Although they don`t show the lap, they show the 'best' time in the top
right.

LLam5559

In at the deep end! - gpl

by LLam5559 » Mon, 12 Oct 1998 04:00:00


>>1.35.06 at Monza after only 45 minutes with the game, all realism on?  Was
>that
>>in a race, or just hotlapping in practice mode?

>No, as the guy below (later posting) suggests, I meant 3 to 4 hours,
>hotlapping.

My apologies... you had written "3/4 hours" in your original post which I
mis-read as three-quarters hour, or 45 min.  Still very impressive tho, my best
at Monza (in Lotus) after a week is 1:40.24. Embarrasing!!  Parabolica & the
1st Lesmo throw me every time!

I hope you can understand the doubts I had, considering the misunderstanding of
your time with the game.

Lee

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John Walla

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by John Walla » Mon, 12 Oct 1998 04:00:00



Horses for courses. I think keeping the aids off is better, but a
detuned car will teach you to slide and teach you the courses without
all that Shift-R business and tripping across the grass every two
minutes.

The trainers can help a lot, but I bet hardly anyone uses them :-)

Cheers!
John

Marc Collin

In at the deep end! - gpl

by Marc Collin » Mon, 12 Oct 1998 04:00:00

I did better than that after 45 minutes.  Monza is a very straightforward
track, especially if you are used to the current version!  Moving down
another second or two per lap, though, will take exponentially longer for
each incremental improvement.  That's the nature of excellent driving versus
just competent driving.  Many people will take a long, long time just to
reach the competent stage...depending on their skills, knowledge, whether
they have a good controller (e.g., if you don't have a wheel and pedals),
and whether their PC is fast enough to get a decent frame rate.  If any (or
more than one) of these things are missing, it could be a long haul.  Some
of us started out at the competent level with GPL, but nobody will be
excellent without lots of practise.

Marc.


>I think he meant to say 3 / 4 hours AS IN.......3 to 4 hours.  NOT 45
>minutes.



>>Hy,

>>(hehehe)

>>1.35.06 at Monza after only 45 minutes with the game, all realism on?  Was
>that
>>in a race, or just hotlapping in practice mode?

>>Excuse me, but my willing suspension of disbelief is having a hard time
>coming
>>to terms with this.

>>I can think of only 3 things that would explain this.

>>1 - You're full of sh*t

>>2 - You're a natural-born F1 driver, in which case you should be racing
for
>>real instead of playing games

>>3 - You've had the Monza demo version for some time, and have Monza down
>cold,
>>and neglected to mention this

>>Please understand, I'm not flaming you.  Your claim as implied in your
post
>may
>>be perfectly true for all I know. But, knowing what I know about the game
>it
>>calls for an extreme stretch of my imagination to believe it.

>>BTW, I agree100%  with your view of not using driving aids, and going for
>max
>>realism and damage from the start.  That is what I have done basically (I
>_did_
>>spend the 1st day with the AT after being thoroughly humiliated by the GP
>car)
>>There's nothing like jumping in the deep end if you wanna learn how to
>swim:)
>>But my Monza times don't even approach yours...

>>How about a replay?  Do you have one?  If you're really that good, I'd
like
>to
>>see you drive.  Maybe I'd learn something.  How 'bout it? <G>

>>>Hi

>>>I bought gpl yesterday, and I have played it for about 3 / 4 hours (I
have
>>>been working a lot this weekend).

>>>Today, I did a 1,35.06 at monza in the ferarri, and was fairly pleased
>with
>>>myself.

>>>I started off with realistic damage on, no driver aids, manual shifting,
>and
>>>the grand prix mode car.

>>>My point is, I don`t see the reason to use any of the aids, or a lower
>>>powered car etc, because you get set in your ways. If you learn in the
>slow
>>>car with the computer helping you all the time, you will not learn how to
>>>drive the car, you will learn how to let the computer drive the car.

>>>There is nothing better than to just whack everything to the most
>realistic
>>>level, and take it from there.

>>>Thats what I think anyway.

>>>Bye!

>>Remove the "X" to email

Hywe

In at the deep end! - gpl

by Hywe » Mon, 12 Oct 1998 04:00:00

Forget it, man

just keep practicing, and watch other peoples hotlaps from the***pit view,
to see where their braking points are, and how they turn into the bends &
control the car through them.


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