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GP2 vs ICR2...The envelope please...

Adrian Hallic

GP2 vs ICR2...The envelope please...

by Adrian Hallic » Wed, 31 Jul 1996 04:00:00

Greetings from a first time poster/long-time reader.

I've played GP2 for many, many hours now since Thursday, (better go back to work soon) ;)  It may
be a little early for a final decision between GP2 and ICR2, but here are my thoughts.

Speed:  

Whenever I go back and play ICR2, I notice how incredibly smooth it is on my P133/16MB ram.  
Roughly 21 FPS for ICR2 in full SVGA detail vs 15 FPS for GP2 in partial SVGA detail.

        ---> Winner ICR2

Sound:

Hmmm, tough one. LOVE the in car sound of GP2, but there's something about the Beehive buzz of
being in a pack of indycars.

        ---> Winner, don't know yet

Graphics:

The day I can run full SVGA detail with 20+ FPS in GP2, the winner will be obvious.  For now it
is very much a toss-up.  I've always thought the ICR2 graphics were stunning, but GP2 does look
great even with partial detail.

        ---> Winner, (flips coin) Hmmm, who was tails?

User Interface:

GP2:  A FEW MORE MENU'S PLEASE GEOFF!!!!! (Sarcasm intended).  Although could we please have
mouse support in ICR3 Papyrus!  Way to many mouse clicks necessary to do the simplest of things
in GP2.

        ---> Winner, ICR2 hands down

Realism:

Car damage in GP2 (at least on Semi-Pro) is a complete joke. 'Nuff said.
Air born effects are very cool. (GP2)
Tire spinning is cool. (GP2)
Brake lock-up is cool. (GP2)

        ---> Winner, GP2

Opponent AI:

Seen some very aggressive moves in GP2, I need to get much better.  The jury's still out but...

        ---> Winner, GP2

Customer support/service/public relations:

No this has nothing to do with game play, but a VERY important category.  Papyrus hands down.  
Thank you Rick & Ed for your patience/support/feedback.  Gabriel, you have your work cut out for
you if you want to be competitive in this category.

        ---> Winner, ICR2 (Although I did wait a LONG TIME for that patch!)

Enough miscellaneous ramblings for now, no winner yet.
Gotta go race SPA, no Elkhart Lake, I mean Portugal, err...

Later cats,

Sebastien Tixie

GP2 vs ICR2...The envelope please...

by Sebastien Tixie » Thu, 01 Aug 1996 04:00:00


> Greetings from a first time poster/long-time reader.

> I've played GP2 for many, many hours now since Thursday, (better go back to work soon) ;)  It may
> be a little early for a final decision between GP2 and ICR2, but here are my thoughts.

> Speed:

> Whenever I go back and play ICR2, I notice how incredibly smooth it is on my P133/16MB ram.
> Roughly 21 FPS for ICR2 in full SVGA detail vs 15 FPS for GP2 in partial SVGA detail.

>         ---> Winner ICR2

> Sound:

> Hmmm, tough one. LOVE the in car sound of GP2, but there's something about the Beehive buzz of
> being in a pack of indycars.

>         ---> Winner, don't know yet

> Graphics:

> The day I can run full SVGA detail with 20+ FPS in GP2, the winner will be obvious.  For now it
> is very much a toss-up.  I've always thought the ICR2 graphics were stunning, but GP2 does look
> great even with partial detail.

>         ---> Winner, (flips coin) Hmmm, who was tails?

> User Interface:

> GP2:  A FEW MORE MENU'S PLEASE GEOFF!!!!! (Sarcasm intended).  Although could we please have
> mouse support in ICR3 Papyrus!  Way to many mouse clicks necessary to do the simplest of things
> in GP2.

>         ---> Winner, ICR2 hands down

> Realism:

> Car damage in GP2 (at least on Semi-Pro) is a complete joke. 'Nuff said.
> Air born effects are very cool. (GP2)
> Tire spinning is cool. (GP2)
> Brake lock-up is cool. (GP2)

>         ---> Winner, GP2

> Opponent AI:

> Seen some very aggressive moves in GP2, I need to get much better.  The jury's still out but...

>         ---> Winner, GP2

> Customer support/service/public relations:

> No this has nothing to do with game play, but a VERY important category.  Papyrus hands down.
> Thank you Rick & Ed for your patience/support/feedback.  Gabriel, you have your work cut out for
> you if you want to be competitive in this category.

>         ---> Winner, ICR2 (Although I did wait a LONG TIME for that patch!)

> Enough miscellaneous ramblings for now, no winner yet.
> Gotta go race SPA, no Elkhart Lake, I mean Portugal, err...

> Later cats,

have u ever drive kart or formula ford ??? ( monoplace )
Well, i think Indycar is more realistick than gp2 however gp2
have more realist sounds and gfx effects.

Have a nice Grand prix
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papa..

GP2 vs ICR2...The envelope please...

by papa.. » Thu, 01 Aug 1996 04:00:00

I have and I think that its a toss up..But more to the point so what.
The most important item for me is which one is more fun....GP2.
I love ICR but hehehe no SPA, SILVERSTONE, MONOCO.....

Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand

>have u ever drive kart or formula ford ??? ( monoplace )
>Well, i think Indycar is more realistick than gp2 however gp2
>have more realist sounds and gfx effects.
>Have a nice Grand prix
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>*      Universite Claude Bernard Lyon1         *
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JEB

GP2 vs ICR2...The envelope please...

by JEB » Thu, 01 Aug 1996 04:00:00


> I have and I think that its a toss up..But more to the point so what.
> The most important item for me is which one is more fun....GP2.
> I love ICR but hehehe no SPA, SILVERSTONE, MONOCO.....

> Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand

We have two computers in our house and we do a lot of direct
connect stuff. We've had ICR2 and NASCAR on both computers for
a long time, and we have the cable connected at all times.
I have both NASCAR and ICR2 setup on the desktop of both machines.
My two sons (10 and 14) know how to setup the T1 and the T2 (we
have one of each, one for each machine) and I have two Joyswitches
one on each machine.
Anyway, the "boyz" have each been shown how to load up ICR2 and
NASCAR and I have raced them both in both sims.
Neither one, nor any of their several friends has EVER loaded up
NASCAR or ICR2 and run them.
Now along comes GP2. I have it installed from/in DOS on both machines.
I have separate configs and auto.bats written for GP2 on both machines
so it requires that you exit to dos mode on the 133, and restart the
machine and hit F4 on the P6. Then you have to run a "setGP2" type .bat
file and then RE-boot again.
My boyz will, and do, everyday reboot both machine, go through all that
dos command line stuff like "d:" and "cd\gp2" and load up GP2 on
both machines and race it constantly. I actually have to chase them
off the machine when I get home from work so I can use "my" computer.

I find it very interesting and somewhat telling that the boyz will
go through all that to run GP2, where they would NEVER do a simple
click of the mouse and run NASCAR or ICR2. What am I getting at?
Don't know, but I think it means that GP2 is a lot more fun.

JEB in Vegas

Jean-Francois De Rudde

GP2 vs ICR2...The envelope please...

by Jean-Francois De Rudde » Thu, 01 Aug 1996 04:00:00

Altough I am not a Kart World champion, I have driven my fare share of
100CC two stroke Karts and for me without a doubt GP2's driving model is
superior. Are you driving with a steering wheel, with all aids
disconnected? In IndyII, I never has the feeling the car could be kept
on the right line by giving little pushes on the accelerator... Maybe it
is because I don't like ovals.
JFD

Paul Gra

GP2 vs ICR2...The envelope please...

by Paul Gra » Fri, 02 Aug 1996 04:00:00

On Wed, 31 Jul 1996 09:19:06 +0200, Jean-Francois De Rudder


>disconnected? In IndyII, I never has the feeling the car could be kept
>on the right line by giving little pushes on the accelerator... Maybe it
>is because I don't like ovals.

ICR2 is a great game, but it`s far too unforgiving, I wanted to play
with realistic damage but I could, I would be out within 2 laps even
at arcade level it`s still dificult.  
markm..

GP2 vs ICR2...The envelope please...

by markm.. » Sun, 04 Aug 1996 04:00:00

ICR2 has to develop that *sliding* feeling that GP2 has. I agree
with what your saying re:damage on/off.
In GP2 you can catch the car and get sideways,

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