rec.autos.simulators

> Hi Guys.....Anyone know if this is available in England or Europe yet....
> Cheers
> leesee


> > I just received my Feedback seat and is very simple to setup, it's
> > pretty well idiot proof and it feels and looks well built.  So far I
> > tried it on Gpl and the N3 demo.
> > I first tried it on the N3 demo because it supports IntelliVIBE but I
> > wasn't that impressed, it kind of suit's the N3 FF wheel effects if you
> > know what I mean. ;) But I guess it's better then nothing. Btw if you
> > have the power cranked up and hit the wall/cars hard you GOING to feel
> > it! You won't want to be hitting the wall or other cars often unless you
> > like a pain in the back but of course everything is adjustable so you
> > can tweak it to your liking just like a FF wheel.
> > So then I tried GPL (Non IntelliVIBE) and I was really impressed,(Gpl
> > does it again) it immerses you into gpl even more. You Can really feel
> > the engine and I really like how you can feel the up and downshifts.
> > Considering GPL does not support IntelliVIBE I was really surprised how
> > good it is and could only imagine how it would be if it supported it.
> > With Microsoft's flight sim 2000 there will be 50 different variables
> > modeled for the seat so you could imagine how Gpl would feel with that
> > kind of support.;) Also each car/engine noticeably feels different and
> > when you drive the Ferrari you can REALLY tell the difference. ;) It
> > suits the sound. It really is a lot of fun.
> > All I can say is this FF seat has a lot of potential and considering
> > it's basically a Alpha/Beta at the moment, I am impressed. So far I'm
> > pleased with my limited time with it and just to be able to feel the '67
> > engines rumbling and feel the downshifts was really cool. I do think it
> > will help your laps, for instance, You know when your beside someone and
> > you really can't hear your engine over everyone else but now you can
> > feel what it's doing, so you can tell when it's slipping, losing
> > traction, ect.. BTW I think it works best if your wearing good
> > headphones because the unit does create a slight HUM Buzz sound which is
> > caused by the Bass Shakers, it's not bad but it's a lot better with
> > headphones as you can't hear it. I can see this being a big seller and
> > It does work in every game and also works with music.
> > Of course this all just my opinion.

> > If anyone out there has theirs I was using Audio Sense with gpl with the
> > following settings.

> > Audio Sense Level: around the 1 o'clock position
> > Intensity: 5
> > ManuVIBE: 3 (Simulates Idle)
> > Bass: 3
> > Mid range: 4
> > Treble: 4

> > http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> I just received my Feedback seat and is very simple to setup, it's
> pretty well idiot proof and it feels and looks well built.  So far I
> tried it on Gpl and the N3 demo.
> I first tried it on the N3 demo because it supports IntelliVIBE but I
> wasn't that impressed, it kind of suit's the N3 FF wheel effects if you
> know what I mean. ;) But I guess it's better then nothing. Btw if you
> have the power cranked up and hit the wall/cars hard you GOING to feel
> it! You won't want to be hitting the wall or other cars often unless you
> like a pain in the back but of course everything is adjustable so you
> can tweak it to your liking just like a FF wheel.
> So then I tried GPL (Non IntelliVIBE) and I was really impressed,(Gpl
> does it again) it immerses you into gpl even more. You Can really feel
> the engine and I really like how you can feel the up and downshifts.
> Considering GPL does not support IntelliVIBE I was really surprised how
> good it is and could only imagine how it would be if it supported it.
> With Microsoft's flight sim 2000 there will be 50 different variables
> modeled for the seat so you could imagine how Gpl would feel with that
> kind of support.;) Also each car/engine noticeably feels different and
> when you drive the Ferrari you can REALLY tell the difference. ;) It
> suits the sound. It really is a lot of fun.
> All I can say is this FF seat has a lot of potential and considering
> it's basically a Alpha/Beta at the moment, I am impressed. So far I'm
> pleased with my limited time with it and just to be able to feel the '67
> engines rumbling and feel the downshifts was really cool. I do think it
> will help your laps, for instance, You know when your beside someone and
> you really can't hear your engine over everyone else but now you can
> feel what it's doing, so you can tell when it's slipping, losing
> traction, ect.. BTW I think it works best if your wearing good
> headphones because the unit does create a slight HUM Buzz sound which is
> caused by the Bass Shakers, it's not bad but it's a lot better with
> headphones as you can't hear it. I can see this being a big seller and
> It does work in every game and also works with music.
> Of course this all just my opinion.

> If anyone out there has theirs I was using Audio Sense with gpl with the
> following settings.

> Audio Sense Level: around the 1 o'clock position
> Intensity: 5
> ManuVIBE: 3 (Simulates Idle)
> Bass: 3
> Mid range: 4
> Treble: 4

> http://www.tactilefeedback.com/

> Alan, this is GOOD NEWS indeed!  I was wondering if they were even
> shipping based on what I read in reply to my post.  Are you beta testing
> or was yours a genuine order?

> I can't wait to try it with GPL.  World Sports Cars OTOH is going to be
> the "Cats Meow".  Intellivibe suppport *and* the Act Labs RS Shifter.
> AAAAAHHHHHH!  I want it now!!!!

> --David Cook

> > I just received my Feedback seat and is very simple to setup, it's
> > pretty well idiot proof and it feels and looks well built.  So far I
> > tried it on Gpl and the N3 demo.
> > I first tried it on the N3 demo because it supports IntelliVIBE but I
> > wasn't that impressed, it kind of suit's the N3 FF wheel effects if you
> > know what I mean. ;) But I guess it's better then nothing. Btw if you
> > have the power cranked up and hit the wall/cars hard you GOING to feel
> > it! You won't want to be hitting the wall or other cars often unless you
> > like a pain in the back but of course everything is adjustable so you
> > can tweak it to your liking just like a FF wheel.
> > So then I tried GPL (Non IntelliVIBE) and I was really impressed,(Gpl
> > does it again) it immerses you into gpl even more. You Can really feel
> > the engine and I really like how you can feel the up and downshifts.
> > Considering GPL does not support IntelliVIBE I was really surprised how
> > good it is and could only imagine how it would be if it supported it.
> > With Microsoft's flight sim 2000 there will be 50 different variables
> > modeled for the seat so you could imagine how Gpl would feel with that
> > kind of support.;) Also each car/engine noticeably feels different and
> > when you drive the Ferrari you can REALLY tell the difference. ;) It
> > suits the sound. It really is a lot of fun.
> > All I can say is this FF seat has a lot of potential and considering
> > it's basically a Alpha/Beta at the moment, I am impressed. So far I'm
> > pleased with my limited time with it and just to be able to feel the '67
> > engines rumbling and feel the downshifts was really cool. I do think it
> > will help your laps, for instance, You know when your beside someone and
> > you really can't hear your engine over everyone else but now you can
> > feel what it's doing, so you can tell when it's slipping, losing
> > traction, ect.. BTW I think it works best if your wearing good
> > headphones because the unit does create a slight HUM Buzz sound which is
> > caused by the Bass Shakers, it's not bad but it's a lot better with
> > headphones as you can't hear it. I can see this being a big seller and
> > It does work in every game and also works with music.
> > Of course this all just my opinion.

> > If anyone out there has theirs I was using Audio Sense with gpl with the
> > following settings.

> > Audio Sense Level: around the 1 o'clock position
> > Intensity: 5
> > ManuVIBE: 3 (Simulates Idle)
> > Bass: 3
> > Mid range: 4
> > Treble: 4

> > http://www.tactilefeedback.com/

> I just got done tuning it to the Ferrari and I was driving with a smile
> the whole time,hehe. It's great. When you get near redline everything
> smooths out because of the high rev's and torque dies down. but at low
> rev's while coming out of a hairpin or a slow corner it's a monster of a
> engine but you can feel it smoothing out as the revs rise, it a
> realistic feeling. Now I'm not even shifting by sound but instead I do
> it by feel because you can feel the redline and I find it gives you
> better control over the throttle out of slow corners because of the
> feeback. I was testing it at Monaco in the Ferrari because of it's slow
> corners and hard acceleration with 2 high speed zones and It was a lot
> of fun, more then without the Feedback. I just wish I could feel the
> curb in the Chicane. ;) Maybe if GPL get's IntelliVIBE support, HELLO
> PAPY!! But right now if you go for a ride in the grass on other tracks
> such as Silverstone you'll know it.:)
> Btw this does not take any resources from your computer to run it
> because the system has it's own 10mhz onboard microprocessor to sample
> everything.

> My settings for the Ferrari.

> Treble=2
> Intensity=7
> ManuVIBE=2
> Bass=5
> Mid=4
> Audio Sense level= 1/4 or 9o'clock position

> I'm Hoping everyone get's theirs soon, I would like to know what their
> settings are and what they think of mine.

> > Alan, this is GOOD NEWS indeed!  I was wondering if they were even
> > shipping based on what I read in reply to my post.  Are you beta testing
> > or was yours a genuine order?

> > I can't wait to try it with GPL.  World Sports Cars OTOH is going to be
> > the "Cats Meow".  Intellivibe suppport *and* the Act Labs RS Shifter.
> > AAAAAHHHHHH!  I want it now!!!!

> > --David Cook

> > > I just received my Feedback seat and is very simple to setup, it's
> > > pretty well idiot proof and it feels and looks well built.  So far I
> > > tried it on Gpl and the N3 demo.
> > > I first tried it on the N3 demo because it supports IntelliVIBE but I
> > > wasn't that impressed, it kind of suit's the N3 FF wheel effects if
you
> > > know what I mean. ;) But I guess it's better then nothing. Btw if you
> > > have the power cranked up and hit the wall/cars hard you GOING to feel
> > > it! You won't want to be hitting the wall or other cars often unless
you
> > > like a pain in the back but of course everything is adjustable so you
> > > can tweak it to your liking just like a FF wheel.
> > > So then I tried GPL (Non IntelliVIBE) and I was really impressed,(Gpl
> > > does it again) it immerses you into gpl even more. You Can really feel
> > > the engine and I really like how you can feel the up and downshifts.
> > > Considering GPL does not support IntelliVIBE I was really surprised
how
> > > good it is and could only imagine how it would be if it supported it.
> > > With Microsoft's flight sim 2000 there will be 50 different variables
> > > modeled for the seat so you could imagine how Gpl would feel with that
> > > kind of support.;) Also each car/engine noticeably feels different and
> > > when you drive the Ferrari you can REALLY tell the difference. ;) It
> > > suits the sound. It really is a lot of fun.
> > > All I can say is this FF seat has a lot of potential and considering
> > > it's basically a Alpha/Beta at the moment, I am impressed. So far I'm
> > > pleased with my limited time with it and just to be able to feel the
'67
> > > engines rumbling and feel the downshifts was really cool. I do think
it
> > > will help your laps, for instance, You know when your beside someone
and
> > > you really can't hear your engine over everyone else but now you can
> > > feel what it's doing, so you can tell when it's slipping, losing
> > > traction, ect.. BTW I think it works best if your wearing good
> > > headphones because the unit does create a slight HUM Buzz sound which
is
> > > caused by the Bass Shakers, it's not bad but it's a lot better with
> > > headphones as you can't hear it. I can see this being a big seller and
> > > It does work in every game and also works with music.
> > > Of course this all just my opinion.

> > > If anyone out there has theirs I was using Audio Sense with gpl with
the
> > > following settings.

> > > Audio Sense Level: around the 1 o'clock position
> > > Intensity: 5
> > > ManuVIBE: 3 (Simulates Idle)
> > > Bass: 3
> > > Mid range: 4
> > > Treble: 4

> > > http://www.tactilefeedback.com/

Andrew Cowell wrote:

> Does the VRF actually have force feedback or does it just work on sound like
> the Aura Interactor?
> Cheers, Andrew.

> Alan Orton <aor...@home.com> wrote in message
> news:38AAB958.466D4CEB@home.com...
> > I just got done tuning it to the Ferrari and I was driving with a smile
> > the whole time,hehe. It's great. When you get near redline everything
> > smooths out because of the high rev's and torque dies down. but at low
> > rev's while coming out of a hairpin or a slow corner it's a monster of a
> > engine but you can feel it smoothing out as the revs rise, it a
> > realistic feeling. Now I'm not even shifting by sound but instead I do
> > it by feel because you can feel the redline and I find it gives you
> > better control over the throttle out of slow corners because of the
> > feeback. I was testing it at Monaco in the Ferrari because of it's slow
> > corners and hard acceleration with 2 high speed zones and It was a lot
> > of fun, more then without the Feedback. I just wish I could feel the
> > curb in the Chicane. ;) Maybe if GPL get's IntelliVIBE support, HELLO
> > PAPY!! But right now if you go for a ride in the grass on other tracks
> > such as Silverstone you'll know it.:)
> > Btw this does not take any resources from your computer to run it
> > because the system has it's own 10mhz onboard microprocessor to sample
> > everything.

> > My settings for the Ferrari.

> > Treble=2
> > Intensity=7
> > ManuVIBE=2
> > Bass=5
> > Mid=4
> > Audio Sense level= 1/4 or 9o'clock position

> > I'm Hoping everyone get's theirs soon, I would like to know what their
> > settings are and what they think of mine.

> > David L. Cook wrote:

> > > Alan, this is GOOD NEWS indeed!  I was wondering if they were even
> > > shipping based on what I read in reply to my post.  Are you beta testing
> > > or was yours a genuine order?

> > > I can't wait to try it with GPL.  World Sports Cars OTOH is going to be
> > > the "Cats Meow".  Intellivibe suppport *and* the Act Labs RS Shifter.
> > > AAAAAHHHHHH!  I want it now!!!!

> > > --David Cook

> > > In article <38A9F191.EAB83...@home.com>, aor...@home.com wrote...
> > > > I just received my Feedback seat and is very simple to setup, it's
> > > > pretty well idiot proof and it feels and looks well built.  So far I
> > > > tried it on Gpl and the N3 demo.
> > > > I first tried it on the N3 demo because it supports IntelliVIBE but I
> > > > wasn't that impressed, it kind of suit's the N3 FF wheel effects if
> you
> > > > know what I mean. ;) But I guess it's better then nothing. Btw if you
> > > > have the power cranked up and hit the wall/cars hard you GOING to feel
> > > > it! You won't want to be hitting the wall or other cars often unless
> you
> > > > like a pain in the back but of course everything is adjustable so you
> > > > can tweak it to your liking just like a FF wheel.
> > > > So then I tried GPL (Non IntelliVIBE) and I was really impressed,(Gpl
> > > > does it again) it immerses you into gpl even more. You Can really feel
> > > > the engine and I really like how you can feel the up and downshifts.
> > > > Considering GPL does not support IntelliVIBE I was really surprised
> how
> > > > good it is and could only imagine how it would be if it supported it.
> > > > With Microsoft's flight sim 2000 there will be 50 different variables
> > > > modeled for the seat so you could imagine how Gpl would feel with that
> > > > kind of support.;) Also each car/engine noticeably feels different and
> > > > when you drive the Ferrari you can REALLY tell the difference. ;) It
> > > > suits the sound. It really is a lot of fun.
> > > > All I can say is this FF seat has a lot of potential and considering
> > > > it's basically a Alpha/Beta at the moment, I am impressed. So far I'm
> > > > pleased with my limited time with it and just to be able to feel the
> '67
> > > > engines rumbling and feel the downshifts was really cool. I do think
> it
> > > > will help your laps, for instance, You know when your beside someone
> and
> > > > you really can't hear your engine over everyone else but now you can
> > > > feel what it's doing, so you can tell when it's slipping, losing
> > > > traction, ect.. BTW I think it works best if your wearing good
> > > > headphones because the unit does create a slight HUM Buzz sound which
> is
> > > > caused by the Bass Shakers, it's not bad but it's a lot better with
> > > > headphones as you can't hear it. I can see this being a big seller and
> > > > It does work in every game and also works with music.
> > > > Of course this all just my opinion.

> > > > If anyone out there has theirs I was using Audio Sense with gpl with
> the
> > > > following settings.

> > > > Audio Sense Level: around the 1 o'clock position
> > > > Intensity: 5
> > > > ManuVIBE: 3 (Simulates Idle)
> > > > Bass: 3
> > > > Mid range: 4
> > > > Treble: 4

> > > > http://www.tactilefeedback.com/

> Alan,

> Paul at VRF did himself a favor by shipping yours early.  You seem to
> have a real knack for articulating the features of the TFS.  Hey - I got
> the "option" e-mail today.  Of course I chose to have them send me
> version 1.0 ASAP with a free upgrade to 2.0 when released!

> David Cook

> > I would say it's force feedback but it can also work off of sound if the
> > game doesn't support FF, it has 2 modes(IntelliVIBE=FF and Audio
> > Sense=Sound). As you can see from the options(Look Below) it's kind of
> > like tweaking a force feedback wheel but it's only going to work as good
> > as the game or programers will allow and we all know how crapy the force
> > feedback is in N3 with ff wheels and this is no different, gpl is better
> > and it doesn't even support IntelliVIBE. N3 only has 7 tweakable
> > parameters while other sims will have 50 or more. Like for instance they
> > could probably model each tire individually so if your right rear tire
> > hit a curb you would feel your right rear hit the curb or if it were the
> > front left tire you would feel the front left hit it,ect.. Also they
> > could probably model wheel spin, wheel hop, locking of tires, suspension
> > movement, bumps in the track, feel you engine starting to miss, feel
> > your car get air then feel it land and bottom out or hit the bump stops,
> > ect..
> > Put it this way it you would feel like your more part of the game with
> > it then with out it. It may not be a motion platform but I think it's
> > going to be pretty good when the ball gets rolling.

> >  here is an example of the N3.ini from Nascar 3 demo with the VRF's
> > parameters.

> > RAST 1
> > SND 1
> > CPU 2

> > ;---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > ;This section configures intelliVIBE for VRF's Tactile Feedback System
> > ;---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > VIBE_ON

> > VIBE_MPH_SCALE 100
> > ;This parameter is optional and can be used to scale the amount of
> > vibration generated by the speed of the ;car.  The xxx number can be set
> > to anything between 0 and 200, with 100 being the default setting.

> > VIBE_RPM_SCALE 60
> > ;This parameter is optional and can be used to scale the amount of
> > vibration generated by the engine rpm of ;the car.  The xxx number can
> > be set to anything between 0 and 200, with 100 being the default
> > setting.

> > VIBE_NUM_SMOOTHING_SAMPLES 2
> > ;This parameter is optional and is used to change the number of samples
> > which are used to determine the ;tactile feedback at a particular point
> > in time. A higher number would cause the changes in force to be less
> > ;abrupt but there would be a potentially noticeable lag under quickly
> > changing conditions.
> > ;The x number can be set to anything between 2 and 10, with 4 being the
> > default setting.