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Larr

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by Larr » Sat, 28 Oct 2006 01:14:21

Ok, the plot gets thicker.

http://www.racesimcentral.net/

Now, this is third-hand info, so it has to be taken with a grain of salt.

And this sure as hell ain't what the License says!

-Larry

raam..

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by raam.. » Sat, 28 Oct 2006 02:40:23


> Ok, the plot gets thicker.

> http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2006/10/26/Microsoft_clarifies_Vista_act...

> Now, this is third-hand info, so it has to be taken with a grain of salt.

> And this sure as hell ain't what the License says!

> -Larry

yeah, I think it's damage control by a low level spokesperson...if
those were the rules then I am fairly certain Ms would have cleared up
the vista activation outcry by clairifing things as said a while ago.
the licence aggreement is subject to chage at ms discretion so they can
do anything they want once they get enough people onboard with the new
os- but now I think it's too late, the cats out of the bag with regards
to their intentions and there are enough people who will be wary of
that to seriously affect vista sales, vista then could end up as
windows 2000 or ME and the market is prime for a competitive os, not
Linix, but probabally from apple, who have gained access to intel
processor architecture
Mitch_

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by Mitch_ » Sat, 28 Oct 2006 02:47:06

It's still too early to know for sure but it seems MS is squirming a bit.  I
hope it's along the lines mentioned in your article though because I can
live with 10 activations.  I doubt Ive called MS for my own XP machine more
than 3 times in 4+ years and here we are on the doorstep of Vista.  Between
disk imaging (have I recommended BartPE/DriveImage yet?) and 10 activations
even the most *** upgrader should be ok.  Now, if you want to use the
same license on all of your computers then you will have problems (that
alone pisses many off lol).  I know the guys here are all honest chaps and
would never consider stealing (and I have some ocean front property in
Arizona for sale) ;)

What you likely didn't know was the licensed Starforce code buried deep
within Vista/DX10 ;)

Mitch


Plowbo

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by Plowbo » Sat, 28 Oct 2006 03:11:57

I'm to the point that I  am thinking....  "Who gives a shit," really?  I
mean you seen the pricing vs the included versions (limitations)?
F#cking-bull***idea, that I would pay 200-300, for a less featured Vista
Business?  260 <upgrade> or 400 bucks for XP Pro equivalent for a "vista
ultimate" OS?  I say, hell no.

Mitch_A enlightened us with:

> It's still too early to know for sure but it seems MS is squirming a
> bit.  I hope it's along the lines mentioned in your article though
> because I can live with 10 activations.  I doubt Ive called MS for my
> own XP machine more than 3 times in 4+ years and here we are on the
> doorstep of Vista.  Between disk imaging (have I recommended
> BartPE/DriveImage yet?) and 10 activations even the most ***
> upgrader should be ok.  Now, if you want to use the same license on
> all of your computers then you will have problems (that alone pisses
> many off lol).  I know the guys here are all honest chaps and would
> never consider stealing (and I have some ocean front property in
> Arizona for sale) ;)
> What you likely didn't know was the licensed Starforce code buried
> deep within Vista/DX10 ;)

> Mitch



>> Ok, the plot gets thicker.

>> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

>> Now, this is third-hand info, so it has to be taken with a grain of
>> salt. And this sure as hell ain't what the License says!

>> -Larry

Plowbo

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by Plowbo » Sat, 28 Oct 2006 03:12:36

 Omitted the link I was using as the pricing guide...
http://www.racesimcentral.net/

Plowboy enlightened us with:

> I'm to the point that I  am thinking....  "Who gives a shit," really?
> I mean you seen the pricing vs the included versions (limitations)?
> F#cking-bull***idea, that I would pay 200-300, for a less featured
> Vista Business?  260 <upgrade> or 400 bucks for XP Pro equivalent for
> a "vista ultimate" OS?  I say, hell no.

> Mitch_A enlightened us with:
>> It's still too early to know for sure but it seems MS is squirming a
>> bit.  I hope it's along the lines mentioned in your article though
>> because I can live with 10 activations.  I doubt Ive called MS for my
>> own XP machine more than 3 times in 4+ years and here we are on the
>> doorstep of Vista.  Between disk imaging (have I recommended
>> BartPE/DriveImage yet?) and 10 activations even the most ***
>> upgrader should be ok.  Now, if you want to use the same license on
>> all of your computers then you will have problems (that alone pisses
>> many off lol).  I know the guys here are all honest chaps and would
>> never consider stealing (and I have some ocean front property in
>> Arizona for sale) ;)
>> What you likely didn't know was the licensed Starforce code buried
>> deep within Vista/DX10 ;)

>> Mitch



>>> Ok, the plot gets thicker.

>>> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

>>> Now, this is third-hand info, so it has to be taken with a grain of
>>> salt. And this sure as hell ain't what the License says!

>>> -Larry

Crispy Critte

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by Crispy Critte » Sat, 28 Oct 2006 07:01:06


> Ok, the plot gets thicker.

> http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2006/10/26/Microsoft_clarifies_Vista_act...

> Now, this is third-hand info, so it has to be taken with a grain of salt.

> And this sure as hell ain't what the License says!

> -Larry

I don't buy OS's based on grey area hearsay. Spell it out in black and
white in the EULA or it's a no-sale for me.
Alan Bernard

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by Alan Bernard » Sat, 28 Oct 2006 07:58:55


Is there any real reason to get Vista?  XP works fine for me.

Alanb

Mitch_

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by Mitch_ » Sat, 28 Oct 2006 08:13:38

Technically couldn't you run 98se then?  I mean that's really a non argument
and more of a geek statement :)

Someday you may want DX10.  Though that rumor about DX10 not being
compatible with XP may be more BS than truth.

Im enjoying Vista RC2 myself.  It includes many nice features but most
importantly it is really the first version of Windows to focus on security
more than backward compatibility.  Its fast looks great is stable and should
help stem the tide of internet threats.  The price is steep (greedy
bastards) but if you go with the upgrade version of Home Ultimate or Basic
for $99-150 it not that bad.  Well worth it if you have a DX10 capable video
card (of which I don't know any) but not really before then I guess.

Mitch


> Is there any real reason to get Vista?  XP works fine for me.

> Alanb

raam..

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by raam.. » Sat, 04 Nov 2006 02:10:47

.  The price is steep (greedy

I disaggree with your well worth it statement; maybe if it was $40 a
copy, but when driver updates or the inevitable hardware upgrade
triggers reactivation leaving you with no activations left the value of
vista really becomes a question of how much money do you have to throw
away

jason moye

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by jason moye » Sat, 04 Nov 2006 06:32:05


> Is there any real reason to get Vista?

If you wish to enjoy DX10-based PC games, which will eventually be all
of them, sure.
Crispy Critte

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by Crispy Critte » Sat, 04 Nov 2006 07:18:51


Ignore MitchA, he's just an ignorant buffoon. The Vista EULA has been
reversed because of all the ***ing.

http://www.racesimcentral.net/+backtracks+on+Vista+transfer+limits/2...

Zed

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by Zed » Sat, 04 Nov 2006 07:22:27

I could be wrong, but I think I remember reading that DX10 would
eventually be made for XP. The installed base of XP is to much to be
ignored.


>> Is there any real reason to get Vista?

> If you wish to enjoy DX10-based PC games, which will eventually be all
> of them, sure.

Crispy Critte

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by Crispy Critte » Sat, 04 Nov 2006 08:31:12


> I could be wrong, but I think I remember reading that DX10 would
> eventually be made for XP. The installed base of XP is to much to be
> ignored.

No, it won't. That rumour came about because The Inquirer put out
misinforamtion. If you want DX10 then you will need Vista.
Mitch_

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by Mitch_ » Sat, 04 Nov 2006 16:44:41

Considering console games are $60 I'd say $40 for Vista is pretty bad
estimate based on cost/complexity ratios.  I guess even at $40 with the
sheer volume they would still get rich but in any case I see it as a worthy
successor to XP for $150 when I do my next system upg..  YMMV.

It's good to see MS clarify the activation situation in our favor (unlimited
reactivations).  As I said all along based on the evidence publicly
available the Vista activation mechanism will be no different than XP and
low n behold guess what.....    It is the same...

Screamers like Trev and Critter are usually wrong and this episode of "The
days of RAS" once again highlights their ignorance at the expense of reason
and wisdom.

Mitch


> I disaggree with your well worth it statement; maybe if it was $40 a
> copy, but when driver updates or the inevitable hardware upgrade
> triggers reactivation leaving you with no activations left the value of
> vista really becomes a question of how much money do you have to throw
> away

Mitch_

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by Mitch_ » Sun, 05 Nov 2006 02:17:11

All the bullshit that crosses your lips is misinformation Critter.  You are
CONSTANTLY WRONG yet you still show up making an ass of yourself daily.
What a fn fool.

And you know this how?

Just crawl back into your tinfoil infested hole already you sad little
retarded ***wit...

Mitch

rumour came about because The Inquirer put out


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