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Lap at Spa

Eldre

Lap at Spa

by Eldre » Thu, 01 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Same here.  There's no 'in-between'.  My normal turn-in doesn't use the whole
track.  If I *try* to turn later, then I use WAY too much...<g>

The F2 race?  That was kinda fun, even if I *couldn't* keep it on the track...

Eldred
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Eldre

Lap at Spa

by Eldre » Thu, 01 Jun 2000 04:00:00

I wondered about that.  I ended up thinking *I* mixed up the corner
names...<whew>

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Eldre

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by Eldre » Thu, 01 Jun 2000 04:00:00

That's caused by not being SURE you'll make the corner.  I guess I'm gunshy
after often dropping a wheel off the track, and doing spins down the
straight...<g>

Yes I have.  For some reason, I'm not seing WHY I'm losing time, except maybe I
just *can't* drive the same line that they do...(lack of control).  Even on
corners where it seems I'm using the same line, I can't duplicate results.
Maybe I should start blaming the hardware(computer, wheel, etc) <g>

Eldred
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Jan Verschuere

Lap at Spa

by Jan Verschuere » Thu, 01 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Lol, I'm sorry Eldred!! ;-))

Jan.
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Michael Youn

Lap at Spa

by Michael Youn » Thu, 01 Jun 2000 04:00:00

To over-simplify yet again, drive the entry the same as you do the apex:
pick the point, and hit it. :-) Pick a turn-in point outside the pavement,
and pick an apex point inside the pavement. Last, and not least, don't
forget to pick a track-out point someplace reasonable. Once you hit all
three consistently, it's a matter of picking better ones.

*Be* the line. :-)

Michael.


Ashley McConnel

Lap at Spa

by Ashley McConnel » Fri, 02 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Its kinda spooky that you are watching someone driving their car in some
other part of the world....you know exactly what they where thinking at
every point........

...well it scares me anyway!!! ;)

Ash
http://www.race-timing.com

| >MRSisson
|
| Allthough I didn't have the same experience you had, while I watched
| Eldred's replay yesterday, I had the same feeling. Very amusing to see
| a replay from someone else, you just know what he felt and thought
| when he was driving his lap!
|
| Andre
|

Steve Garrot

Lap at Spa

by Steve Garrot » Fri, 02 Jun 2000 04:00:00

No, it was not a F2 race, too bad it wasn't I may not have been lapped
3 times. Then to top it all off, the acelerator pedal spring broke and
stuck wide open on the front strait. The only thing I was doing was
making sure everyone got at least one wreck!

SLG
(Not going to do a F1 race at Zandy for a while!)


>>If I may . . . My PB at Spa is 3:26 and in looking at EldredP's lap I
>>can see some of the same mistakes that I also make. The main one being
>>not using the whole track!. My problem is that I can not force myself
>>to trust the image I am seeing, as in I turn in too early! What is the
>>best way to force yourself to use the whole track? I have this problem
>>at all the other tracks also. I tend to turn in way too early. Do I
>>need someone with a ruler next to me when I am racing to whack me when
>>I turn in early? I have noticed that some times I try to wait, and
>>find I waited too long. Then I am just mowing the grass, spinning on
>>my head, or who knows what.

>Same here.  There's no 'in-between'.  My normal turn-in doesn't use the whole
>track.  If I *try* to turn later, then I use WAY too much...<g>

>>SLG
>>(They guy who still must apologize, again for Zandy last night! Yes it
>>was bad!)

>The F2 race?  That was kinda fun, even if I *couldn't* keep it on the track...

>Eldred
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>with experience...
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Eldre

Lap at Spa

by Eldre » Fri, 02 Jun 2000 04:00:00



>To over-simplify yet again, drive the entry the same as you do the apex:
>pick the point, and hit it. :-) Pick a turn-in point outside the pavement,
>and pick an apex point inside the pavement. Last, and not least, don't
>forget to pick a track-out point someplace reasonable. Once you hit all
>three consistently, it's a matter of picking better ones.

>*Be* the line. :-)

>Michael.



>> If I may . . . My PB at Spa is 3:26 and in looking at EldredP's lap I
>> can see some of the same mistakes that I also make. The main one being
>> not using the whole track!. My problem is that I can not force myself
>> to trust the image I am seeing, as in I turn in too early! What is the
>> best way to force yourself to use the whole track? I have this problem
>> at all the other tracks also. I tend to turn in way too early. Do I
>> need someone with a ruler next to me when I am racing to whack me when
>> I turn in early? I have noticed that some times I try to wait, and
>> find I waited too long. Then I am just mowing the grass, spinning on
>> my head, or who knows what.

A braking point, I can see.  Either a brake marker, or a sign.  Picking a
'turn-in' point isn;t so easy.  Either there isn't a definite marker, or I'm
too busy just trying to control the car under braking to pick out a specific
'point'.  How do you do that?  I read the same thing on one of the web sites,
and also "Going Faster".  I've never had a turn-in *point*.  It's usually a
combination of feel and luck, based on the stopping distance in the current
corner.  I don't think this one will be easy to fix... :(

Eldred
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Don Scurlo

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by Don Scurlo » Fri, 02 Jun 2000 04:00:00



So does SpyGirl. I watched that lap, your not as bad as you let on.
If you can get consistency and string a bunch of those together, you
could probably get some decent online race results.

Were going to have to find a new mascot around here.

--
Don Scurlock
Vancouver,B.C.

Eldre

Lap at Spa

by Eldre » Fri, 02 Jun 2000 04:00:00


writes:

LOL!

Eldred
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Michael Youn

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by Michael Youn » Fri, 02 Jun 2000 04:00:00


Hmmm; I see your point. No, I'm not looking at the turn-in point it the
instant I'm turning in. Pick a definite target point for the outside front
tire. You want to roll over that point at the same speed, in the same
direction every time. Truth to tell, I don't know how close they are to
where I actually turn the wheel. Once I'm sure of where the car is in
relation to that point, I pick up actual turn-in cue from the apex itself. I
know, at all three points -- turn-in, apex, and track-out -- precisely how I
want the car to be situated, and what I want to be doing with the controls.
Even when an embankment is in the way, I try to have a clear picture of all
three, and the tire tracks I need to ride to hit them.

It's only partially feel, and hopefully never luck. You need a plan. But
nobody said it will be easy. Also, I'm not sure which is more satisfying:
the pure adrenaline e***ment of surprising myself, or the exacting tedium
of hitting my line, and numbers.

Michael.

Andre Warrin

Lap at Spa

by Andre Warrin » Sat, 03 Jun 2000 04:00:00


So what you need is more practice, to build up your confidence!
Do you allready get tired of this "more practice" advice? :)

Driving the same line is not really hard, at 10 mph everybody can
drive the same line. Driving the right line at maximum speed is
something quite different... GPLDump and Analyzer show you perfectly
how fast you are compared to others. Concentrate on the corners where
you lose the most time.

Andre

Eldre

Lap at Spa

by Eldre » Sat, 03 Jun 2000 04:00:00


Warringa) writes:

>>That's caused by not being SURE you'll make the corner.  I guess I'm gunshy
>>after often dropping a wheel off the track, and doing spins down the
>>straight...<g>

>So what you need is more practice, to build up your confidence!
>Do you allready get tired of this "more practice" advice? :)

Yes...

I'm working on it.  I need to find the time...

Eldred
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Andre Warrin

Lap at Spa

by Andre Warrin » Sat, 03 Jun 2000 04:00:00


So instead of blaming your hardware, now it's due to the lack of time?
:))

Andre

Eldre

Lap at Spa

by Eldre » Sat, 03 Jun 2000 04:00:00


>>I'm working on it.  I need to find the time...

>So instead of blaming your hardware, now it's due to the lack of time?
>:))

>Andre

It's probably a little of both.  Even when I *have* the time, I don't see much
improvement.  I have a K6/3-400, and I'm sure I'm giving up a bit of resolution
and smoothness that I would have with a faster system.

Eldred
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