rec.autos.simulators

by **Mark Seer** » Sat, 05 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Absolutely

Can-Am died with the Maclaren M20 - the year that the Porsche turbos came to
the fore. This was 1972-3. With turbos on the horizon, the days of the big
bangers were numbered.

Mark

> The REAL Can-Am finished in the late 1970s.

> Anything that followed was (and is) but a pale imitation.

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> >> In brief, the Can-Am was a very popular series that ran from 1966 to
> 1974.

> >Please don't forget 1977-89 5-litre era. European equivalent was
Interserie
> >(1970-99 but real can-amish to 1985)

> >btw http://www.racesimcentral.net/
&
> >prototype results after 1953

> >> Dave Ewing

> >Tapani Kaijanmaki

by **Chris Schlette** » Sat, 05 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Its all well and good to want to do that and makes the sim even better,
hopefully, but remember that the end user must be pleased. Granted the
Coventry and Masurama aren't perhaps a Lotii, but GPL wouldn't be the same
game w/o their inclusion just because Papyrus/Sierra/whomever and those
parties could not come to licensing agreements. Dont forget the
end-user..:) If the current WSC makes an appearance in the game, people
WILL want to drive those Ferraris and I dare say a many unhappy bunch of
people will rant and rave if a Ferrari or Ferrariesque (applies to other
manufacturers too) cars are unavailable. :)

by **Chris Schlette** » Sat, 05 Jun 1999 04:00:00

A virtual Rolex24 going on at the same time as the real Rolex24...now that
would rock. :)

by **John Bod** » Sat, 05 Jun 1999 04:00:00

On Fri, 04 Jun 1999 15:40:27 GMT, "Mark S. Miller"

>> > Ferrari is an obvious licensing
>> >hurdle.

>> Licensing hurdle? How about this -- just use a generic car called a
>> "Stallion" if Ferrari won't play. This is what Papy/Sierra did with
>> the Coventry and the Masurama when they couldn't get the rights to the
>> Cooper and the Honda, right? <G>

>This is not our approach to things.

>I can't really discuss our business model, but we do a lot more than simply
>license the manufacturer's and track's names. We want to represent the SCCA
>and USRRC properly, and we want to represent Ferrari properly.

I admire your approach, and I hope Ferrari (and ALL the manufacturers
and sponsors) will cooperate fully. If not, though, I think Chris is
right -- it's a crime to forget your end-users. Integrity must come
first, I understand, but if you can't get agreements with everybody,
you probably should consider generic substitites at least for the sake
of additional variety.

-- JB

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by **David No** » Sat, 05 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Do you have a track lineup yet? I will assume they are of the *real*
variety.

DN

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> Subject: Re: There's a planned Can-Am game!

> > >Then again. maybe some of the excellent hackers out there can come up
> with
> > some
> > >McLarens, Chaparrals and Porsches from the real Can-Am.

> > >Can-Am Legends anyone?

> > This would be the ultimate!

> The first incarnation will be current day Can-Am. We're sending someone
out
> to the Mid-Ohio race this weekend, in fact. The official press release and
> some early screens should be on the web site in the coming weeks. At the
> lower end of the game will be the Spec Racer Ford, and there'll likely be
a
> middle class of something like CSR or S2000. This is not only to add
depth,
> but also to make it a more progressive learning experience. And, yes, we
> will support endurance races - online and offline - including all the
> darkness and crappy weather that can go with them.

> Also on the slates is a "retro-pack" to "the Real Can-Am." This is the
game
> I'm dying to play as well. These are the cars I grew up watching as a
kid -
> I still remember building plastic models of Chaparrals. So, the bottom
line
> is, there won't be any hacking needed. Since we're doing all these bizarre
> controller setups for Superbike, it'll be snap to map a spare joystick or
> throttle axis to control the rear wing. And, I'm sure our physics guys
will
> get a kick out of modeling the Shadow.

> -MSM

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by **Mark S. Mille** » Sat, 05 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Very real - same tracks as in the schedule.

-MSM

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by **Mark S. Mille** » Sat, 05 Jun 1999 04:00:00

I guess my comment wasn't taken in the way I intended. We don't feel we need
to have ersatz manufacturer names thanks to our relationships within the
racing world. Having a current day Can-Am game with the Ferrari would be
like ... well ... having any other road racing game without the Ferrari. It
just wouldn't be Right.

Again, keep in mind what our press releases have said. We have
*partnerships* with the AMA and SCCA. Not just name licensing. To properly
represent the organizations which run the series, we need to have access to
the manufacturers and teams who do the racing.

-MSM

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by **DPHI** » Sat, 05 Jun 1999 04:00:00

>> Do you have a track lineup yet? I will assume they are of the *real*
>> variety.

>Very real - same tracks as in the schedule.

> -MSM

Even the original configuration of Laguna Seca? Turn two here I come!

-don

by **Bruce Kennewel** » Sun, 06 Jun 1999 04:00:00

The REAL Can-Am finished in the late 1970s.

Anything that followed was (and is) but a pale imitation.

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>> In brief, the Can-Am was a very popular series that ran from 1966 to
1974.

>Please don't forget 1977-89 5-litre era. European equivalent was Interserie
>(1970-99 but real can-amish to 1985)

>btw http://www.angelfire.com/me/krejcimar/index.html shows most sportscar &
>prototype results after 1953

>> Dave Ewing

>Tapani Kaijanmaki

by **Bozo** » Mon, 07 Jun 1999 04:00:00

>>> Hmmm...let's see, if it's a modern day sim we'll have the choice of a
>>Riley and
>>> Scott chassis with a Ford V-8 and a Riley and Scott chassis with a Chevy
>>V-8.
>>> Lot's of options there, could be about as exciting as Viper Racing<g>.
>>Let's
>>> hope they can license the Ferrari 333SP.

>>The R&S and Ferrari are the top competitors now, but there's also the Kudzu
>>and Lola. Mazda engines are doing OK too. Ferrari is an obvious licensing
>>hurdle

But, will you have the new BMW???

Ben

by **Bozo** » Mon, 07 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Hmm....I know it would have been ridiculously unfeasible, but can you imagine
an 8 liter v-12 with twin turbos? Holy....
Coulda been fun.

Ben

by **Matthew Birger Knutse** » Mon, 07 Jun 1999 04:00:00

> >>> Hmmm...let's see, if it's a modern day sim we'll have the choice of a
> >>Riley and
> >>> Scott chassis with a Ford V-8 and a Riley and Scott chassis with a Chevy
> >>V-8.
> >>> Lot's of options there, could be about as exciting as Viper Racing<g>.
> >>Let's
> >>> hope they can license the Ferrari 333SP.

> >>The R&S and Ferrari are the top competitors now, but there's also the Kudzu
> >>and Lola. Mazda engines are doing OK too. Ferrari is an obvious licensing
> >>hurdle

> But, will you have the new BMW???

My guess is yes, since the car is available to private teams....

Matt

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by **Mark Seer** » Mon, 07 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Low earth orbit springs to mind <G>

Mark

by **Mark S. Mille** » Tue, 08 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Depends on if we model this year or next year's season. And on licensing, of
course.

-MSM

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Director of Design that you may be *** and original
Motorsport Simulations in your work."

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