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Ed Solhei

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by Ed Solhei » Thu, 20 Jun 2002 07:13:27

Does this mean that on a Win98SE / Open-Gl system, I might as well disable
the thing?

Does it only work/listen in WinXP (and/or NT-Kernel system)?

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"Joachim Trensz" said:

Steve K

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by Steve K » Thu, 20 Jun 2002 07:30:08



I think if you go to app.ini under the [SPCC] heading and set
EnableStreaming = to 0, it may solve the problem. I had screen stutter when
the spotter would talk until I did this.

Steve K.

David G Fishe

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by David G Fishe » Thu, 20 Jun 2002 07:33:29

Well I'm crushed. Just did 125 laps over three races on the Papy open
servers. Not one freeze...........until lap 120. :-(

David G Fisher


> I cannot tell you precisely how they programmed it, but it sounds like
some
> code that monitors requests from WinXP's tasking system, and lets N2002
> respond to them. That can of course cause little pauses as it may require
> N2002 to service the requests somehow.

> Again, I can't say how precisely they implemented it, but obviously since
> its function is to listen to the system and react to it, it is something
> that can cause pauses as N2002 may be forced to do something about signals
> it gets from the watchdog.

> I think with it off you cannot Alt-Tab anymore, btw, because N2002 no
longer
> listens to these requests. Of course, you can't Alt-Tab in OpenGL anyway,
so
> if you use that, you don't lose anything.

> Achim



> > Ok, disabled it, but what exactly does it do when it's on?

> > David G Fisher



> > > It's in core.ini, in the [tasking] section. Set the parameter
> > > enable_watchdog to 0 to disable it.

> > > Achim

David G Fishe

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by David G Fishe » Thu, 20 Jun 2002 07:39:13

Tried that awhile back, but thanks anyway.

David G Fisher




> > Thanks for the info. I did a clean install of XP.

> > Davis G Fisher

> I think if you go to app.ini under the [SPCC] heading and set
> EnableStreaming = to 0, it may solve the problem. I had screen stutter
when
> the spotter would talk until I did this.

> Steve K.

Steve K

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by Steve K » Thu, 20 Jun 2002 07:43:06



Maybe, if you go to app.ini and under the [SPCC] heading and set
EnableStreaming = to 0, it will help. I had screen stutters when the spotter
would talk untill I did this.

Steve K.

Joachim Trens

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by Joachim Trens » Thu, 20 Jun 2002 09:54:19

I really don't know whether this watchdog is doing something under all types
of multitasking, and what exactly it does if it receives a message of the
type it is waiting for.

But it certainly can't hurt to try and disable it if you have pauses or
stuttering. If you don't have pauses, it might still free up some CPU time,
although not much. But if the watchdog indeed waits for tasking messages and
then does something in reply to such messages, then it's better to have it
off if you want to optimise N2002.

Achim



Joachim Trens

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by Joachim Trens » Thu, 20 Jun 2002 09:55:01

Maybe its really one of the WinXP services or background tasks.

Achim



> Well I'm crushed. Just did 125 laps over three races on the Papy open
> servers. Not one freeze...........until lap 120. :-(


> David G Fisher



> > I cannot tell you precisely how they programmed it, but it sounds like
> some
> > code that monitors requests from WinXP's tasking system, and lets N2002
> > respond to them. That can of course cause little pauses as it may
require
> > N2002 to service the requests somehow.

> > Again, I can't say how precisely they implemented it, but obviously
since
> > its function is to listen to the system and react to it, it is something
> > that can cause pauses as N2002 may be forced to do something about
signals
> > it gets from the watchdog.

> > I think with it off you cannot Alt-Tab anymore, btw, because N2002 no
> longer
> > listens to these requests. Of course, you can't Alt-Tab in OpenGL
anyway,
> so
> > if you use that, you don't lose anything.

> > Achim



> > > Ok, disabled it, but what exactly does it do when it's on?

> > > David G Fisher



> > > > It's in core.ini, in the [tasking] section. Set the parameter
> > > > enable_watchdog to 0 to disable it.

> > > > Achim

Mitch Alatorr

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by Mitch Alatorr » Thu, 20 Jun 2002 08:46:02

To ACPI or not to ACPI.  Sounds like it could be possible PCI bus
contention.  Other than PCI slot musical chairs their's not much you can do
without a OS re-install (disable ACPI in BIOS first).  Just a guess Dave but
it looks like youve tried most all else.

IL2 Sturmovich had a pause issue similar to what you describe in N2k2 Dave,
but nearly *ALL* users were affected.  Maddox has patched IL2 but I still
occasionally get a hiccup.  The reason I bring this up is because you have
hinted it's a Papy code issue.  My feelings are more users would be affected
if it was N2k2 code and not a hardware issue.

Mitch


> Maybe its really one of the WinXP services or background tasks.

> Achim



> > Well I'm crushed. Just did 125 laps over three races on the Papy open
> > servers. Not one freeze...........until lap 120. :-(


> > David G Fisher



> > > I cannot tell you precisely how they programmed it, but it sounds like
> > some
> > > code that monitors requests from WinXP's tasking system, and lets
N2002
> > > respond to them. That can of course cause little pauses as it may
> require
> > > N2002 to service the requests somehow.

> > > Again, I can't say how precisely they implemented it, but obviously
> since
> > > its function is to listen to the system and react to it, it is
something
> > > that can cause pauses as N2002 may be forced to do something about
> signals
> > > it gets from the watchdog.

> > > I think with it off you cannot Alt-Tab anymore, btw, because N2002 no
> > longer
> > > listens to these requests. Of course, you can't Alt-Tab in OpenGL
> anyway,
> > so
> > > if you use that, you don't lose anything.

> > > Achim



> > > > Ok, disabled it, but what exactly does it do when it's on?

> > > > David G Fisher



> > > > > It's in core.ini, in the [tasking] section. Set the parameter
> > > > > enable_watchdog to 0 to disable it.

> > > > > Achim

Dave Henri

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by Dave Henri » Thu, 20 Jun 2002 14:34:06


   With all this ***going on in the background,  watchdogs and services
and such...how did ANYONE get faster benchmarks with xp?  And who would
actually want to change to that os if you are a gamer?  (not being
contentious...I'm trying to find the positive in XP)  Just what does it
bring to ***...besides a zillion background tasks??
dave henrie



> > Well I'm crushed. Just did 125 laps over three races on the Papy open
> > servers. Not one freeze...........until lap 120. :-(


> > David G Fisher



> > > I cannot tell you precisely how they programmed it, but it sounds like
> > some
> > > code that monitors requests from WinXP's tasking system, and lets
N2002
> > > respond to them. That can of course cause little pauses as it may
> require
> > > N2002 to service the requests somehow.

> > > Again, I can't say how precisely they implemented it, but obviously
> since
> > > its function is to listen to the system and react to it, it is
something
> > > that can cause pauses as N2002 may be forced to do something about
> signals
> > > it gets from the watchdog.

> > > I think with it off you cannot Alt-Tab anymore, btw, because N2002 no
> > longer
> > > listens to these requests. Of course, you can't Alt-Tab in OpenGL
> anyway,
> > so
> > > if you use that, you don't lose anything.

> > > Achim



> > > > Ok, disabled it, but what exactly does it do when it's on?

> > > > David G Fisher



> > > > > It's in core.ini, in the [tasking] section. Set the parameter
> > > > > enable_watchdog to 0 to disable it.

> > > > > Achim

Joachim Trens

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by Joachim Trens » Fri, 21 Jun 2002 02:00:53

Hi Dave,

the answer to your question is pretty clear, isn't it.

I've spent a lot of time on discussing these topics right after XP was
released, and really don't want to spend that much time again. Everybody try
for themselves and use the system they like :-)

There's an article on alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia in the
'29.42 image quality' thread where someone comments on stutters being caused
by XP's pagefile btw - maybe another item to look into for David.

Achim




> > Maybe its really one of the WinXP services or background tasks.

> > Achim

>    With all this ***going on in the background,  watchdogs and services
> and such...how did ANYONE get faster benchmarks with xp?  And who would
> actually want to change to that os if you are a gamer?  (not being
> contentious...I'm trying to find the positive in XP)  Just what does it
> bring to ***...besides a zillion background tasks??
> dave henrie

David G Fishe

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by David G Fishe » Fri, 21 Jun 2002 15:17:35

Any links where I can find out what the various services do?

David G Fisher


Mitch Alatorr

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by Mitch Alatorr » Fri, 21 Jun 2002 16:37:06

Try here Dave http://hr.uoregon.edu/davidrl/windowsxp.html

BTW great run Brian!!!



Joachim Trens

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by Joachim Trens » Fri, 21 Jun 2002 19:25:17

Hi David,

at

http://www.overclockersclub.com/windowsxpservices.shtml

you'll find a tweaker's guide telling you which services to disable.

At the time when I was testing XP I followed similar recommendations from
another source, and must say that for me, most of them didn't make a
difference.

However, there are a few that indeed should either be disabled or set up
differently.

For example the QoS reserves online bandwidth for the operating system,
either even even if you disable it, or even if you set the bandwidth to be
reserved to 0, I forget which of the two. To avoid that you have to either
disable it or set the bandwidth reserved to 0, but unfortunately I don't
remember which of the two options is the right one. You'll have to try or
read up on the issue.

You should also make sure your swapfile has a fixed size (512MB is a large
enough value for most everything except huge audio or graphics
manipulations).

You should avoid XP calling home, like looking for updates for example.

The system restore service is a candidate for disabling, as it may start
trying to make backups while you're racing - under WinME this happened often
with GPL for me. The OS seemed to think that the system was idle while I was
racing :-)

Achim



> Any links where I can find out what the various services do?

> David G Fisher



> > Not necessarily 3rd party stuff, I'm talking about XP's own services. Do
> you
> > know that several module of XP can call home as well in regular
intervals,
> > unless you tell them not to? And that XP limits your online bandwidth by
> > always reserving a huge chunk of it for itself?

> > Achim

Joachim Trens

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by Joachim Trens » Fri, 21 Jun 2002 19:47:28

I forgot to add that this lead to freezes like you described them.

Achim


> Hi David,

> at

> http://www.overclockersclub.com/windowsxpservices.shtml

> you'll find a tweaker's guide telling you which services to disable.

> At the time when I was testing XP I followed similar recommendations from
> another source, and must say that for me, most of them didn't make a
> difference.

> However, there are a few that indeed should either be disabled or set up
> differently.

> For example the QoS reserves online bandwidth for the operating system,
> either even even if you disable it, or even if you set the bandwidth to be
> reserved to 0, I forget which of the two. To avoid that you have to either
> disable it or set the bandwidth reserved to 0, but unfortunately I don't
> remember which of the two options is the right one. You'll have to try or
> read up on the issue.

> You should also make sure your swapfile has a fixed size (512MB is a large
> enough value for most everything except huge audio or graphics
> manipulations).

> You should avoid XP calling home, like looking for updates for example.

> The system restore service is a candidate for disabling, as it may start
> trying to make backups while you're racing - under WinME this happened
often
> with GPL for me. The OS seemed to think that the system was idle while I
was
> racing :-)

> Achim



> > Any links where I can find out what the various services do?

> > David G Fisher



> > > Not necessarily 3rd party stuff, I'm talking about XP's own services.
Do
> > you
> > > know that several module of XP can call home as well in regular
> intervals,
> > > unless you tell them not to? And that XP limits your online bandwidth
by
> > > always reserving a huge chunk of it for itself?

> > > Achim

Goy Larse

Congrats To Zug Zug, the winner of the RASCAR Michigan 80!

by Goy Larse » Fri, 21 Jun 2002 17:42:37


> The OS seemed to think that the system was idle while I was racing ..

Well, if you're going that slow.......

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

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