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If that is intelligence, I'd be happy to be stupid.

Sportsmanship and gentlemanship goes hand in hand, and that is why such
a blunt refusal triggered a harsh response.

-A-

    As far as sportmanship goes, I'd say that someone who can't even handle
being turned down after a setup handout request would probably be a real
dummy spitter after a race loss - no self dicipline or class at all!

    Pdot, wow you dare suggest that "teach a man how to fish" is better than
giving him a fish?!  How dare you.

Wait,  I know what the problem is, you didn't phrase it right...  Try it
this way next time...

<I've heard variations on that phrase hundreds of times over the last
<couple of weeks.

<The answer is no, but here's how to make your own setup faster:  (snip)

"The answer is, how about I'll do you one better, here's how you can make
{even my} setup better for you."  then give them a teaser setup...

It is all about the marketing, and yours was just too damn close to the new
or OLD testament apparently.  or to skip my own religious implications. As
you can see, it is has to be carefully put forward.   Just like how they say
the US economy is in a slump, after absolutely NOT ONE, marketing figure to
back up this fact.  Despite all that, this last week, Barack Obama
proclaimed "As most experts know, our economy is in a {bold and underline}
RECESSION."

Even though the actual definition of recession is, two consecutive quarters
of negative growth, and we haven't even had one single quarter of negative
growth reported.

See, grasshopper (PDot) you just didn't say it right...

You are focusing on one word, and ignoring the other 133 lines of the
post.

Sportsmanship?

I posted this same setup info on the ARCA RSC forum.  A guy sent me an
email responding to that post asking if I'd take a look at his setup.
I told him to send it to me.  He is apparently running 29.9's at
Nashville with it.  I loaded it up and ran a 29.7 on the third lap out
of the pits.  It was on the loose side with a hot RR tire, so I added
1/2% nose weight, and ran a 29.6.  Added tape and air pressure for a
qual run and ran a 29.58 the first time out.  All this took about 10
laps.

His setup is great - maybe better than mine.

Did he need my setup?  No.  He would be slower with my setup.

Would I have been doing him a favor by handing him my setup?  No.  He
might have abandoned his setup that is already good.

He needs more seat time, more laps, more attention to driving
technique, and maybe more attention on his control setup.

I worded my post exactly as intended.  I hope it's a wake-up call for
some people.

Pat Dotson

You are focusing on one word, and ignoring the other 133 lines of the
post.

Sportsmanship?

I posted this same setup info on the ARCA RSC forum.  A guy sent me an
email responding to that post asking if I'd take a look at his setup.
I told him to send it to me.  He is apparently running 29.9's at
Nashville with it.  I loaded it up and ran a 29.7 on the third lap out
of the pits.  It was on the loose side with a hot RR tire, so I added
1/2% nose weight, and ran a 29.6.  Added tape and air pressure for a
qual run and ran a 29.58 the first time out.  All this took about 10
laps.

His setup is great - maybe better than mine.

Did he need my setup?  No.  He would be slower with my setup.

Would I have been doing him a favor by handing him my setup?  No.  He
might have abandoned his setup that is already good.

He needs more seat time, more laps, more attention to driving
technique, and maybe more attention on his control setup.

I worded my post exactly as intended.  I hope it's a wake-up call for
some people.

Pat Dotson

I disagree with the "for what it is" part.  You haven't been in it.
It rocks.  Sadly, most people can't buy one.  They can't buy a Frex
seat or an FD301 either.

Pat Dotson

On Apr 2, 11:15 am, "Quentin ***bottom"

I disagree with the "for what it is" part.  You haven't been in it.
It rocks.  Sadly, most people can't buy one.  They can't buy a Frex
seat or an FD301 either.

Pat Dotson

sniped.

Byron, bend over and touch your toes. This is going to hurt you a lot more
than it hurts me, boy!

    It really is pitiful to see the type of behavior that common monkeys
default to when they entirely run out of intelligence (assuming they had any
to begin with) - you stupid little witless girl! :)

I just thought Byron was over simplifying things just bit too much when
he referred to the "only intelligent reasons".

I am so tired of people who tries to impose cynicism on other people
when this world is holding up nicely *in spite* of cynicism instead of
*because* of it.

I believe I can say that a "blunt refusal", to use my own words, are not
in the gentleman tradition of the sport, but neither are the endless
demands for it! And I am not to judge what is and what is not in the
gentleman tradition, as there is no obligation in any direction in here.

The total lack of this "gentleman" tradition on this worlds racing
servers, is much more grave, annoying and totally repulsive. I'd rather
see us bash out at each other here and bing gentlemen on the servers
than the other way around.

If nothing else, I tried to explain why it triggered such a harsh
response, namely this gentleman tradition discrepancy of the original
statement.

---A---

Thanks for the clarification.  I also prefer an gentlemanly approach
to sim racing.

I haven't been heavily into oval sim racing since the NROS/TEN days
with NASCAR 2.  What I'm seeing now on the ARCA servers in terms of
driving ettiquette is much improved over those days.  There were
always a large percentage of people on TEN who had no concept of car
control.  AFAIK or could tell them may have even been driving with
keyboards back then.  Now people seem to be in control of their
vehicle, and understand how the whole thing is supposed to work.

Another funny thing is, I don't remember people asking for setups back
in the N2 days at all.  Now asking for setups completely commonplace.
I saw someone call the name "setup leeches" the other night  :)  It
must be a N2003 thing, which I was never a part of.

One thing to consider is, at least in the karting that I've done,
people are usually pretty secretive about their setups.  It's not
unusual to find someone who will tell you what gearing or rear stagger
they are running, but I have never seen or heard someone give away a
complete setup to a direct competitor.  I imagine the higher you go in
real racing the more secretive it becomes.

Pat Dotson