I just decided to load GPL into my computer after about three
year layoff.
It's fun with a faster system -- and enjoy the new tracks that
have been made for it.
Are there any websites that are up to date for GPL?
For instance;
............ the 1965 MOD I keep hearing about?
................ new cars and years?
............... anything new that has made this remarkable sim even
better?
Your assistance will be appreciated.
Doug
http://55and65.speedgeezers.com/gpl65/
Personnaly I would avoid IGOR when you install though and keep GEM+ 1.4
on your system, GEM2 is better in everything but manipulating your
track list.
There's a '69 mod promised "soon"
A good league: http://users.hfx.eastlink.ca/~mackaypenny/gplreg.html
Take a look at the RaceSimCentral Forums at their GPL section:
http://forum.rscnet.org/forumdisplay.php?f=36
A 69 mod is in the works, hopefully released for christmas. The 65 mod
is wonderful and I drive Clermont-Ferand in a BT11 loving every minute
of it!
GPLEA have done wonderful new cars. Just search for GPLEA cars and
you'll find it.
Welcome back to the best sim there is, still!
/andreas
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Much obliged to you for the links.
And ---- I must agree ------ GPL is STILL the best there
is in this regard. I find I am constantly amazed at just how
realistically these cars react under stress, and how the dynamics are
indeed modeled darn near "spot-on".
It's great feeling that "RUSH" again!!!!!!!!!
Doug
Lots of tracks at
http://trackdb.d2g.com/
http://www.gplpp.com/
A little of everything
http://fredfaster.m4driving.it/gpladdons/
An AWESOME sound overlay program
http://www.gplso.co.uk/
Wanna race?
Join http://didnt.doit.wisc.edu/iicc/
1967 cars.
We've got Solitude this weekend.
-Greg
I don't want to start a war, but you really should try
GTR (the final is even better than the demo). For me, it's replaced
GPL because the physics are so much better.
One big result is that the cars respond sensitively and
predictably to setup changes. By comparison GPL cars seem numb and
quirky, particularly the Lotus. For one example, I was losing the rear
end at Donington on the left handers. I softened the RR shock two
clicks in bump (both fast and slow bump and out of something like 16
total available) and solved the problem.
The other thing is this. In GPL I reached a certain
place and didn't really know how to get faster. My best laps seemed to
be a series of gambles at most corners, and a string of lucky wins.
The cars responded to unrealistically fast steering movements, and I
can see why some people go faster with a joystick.
I can clearly see where I need to improve in GTR to
progress. My "new PB" laps are usually at the end of a string of
decreasing lap times. The PBs often look a bit slow compared to other
laps, and I can clearly see where I could be faster. Jerk the wheel in
GTR, and you'll lose either the front or the back. A joystick would be
ludicrous.
Bottom line is that my rush now comes from GTR. I've
tried going back to GPL and get no rush, just frustration at the quirky
behavior.
If you just like the GPL cars, or race online, that's a
different matter.
Glad I'm not the only one. I've always been a big GPL fan but if I go back
and play it now, it's just undrivable. It feels so quirky and convoluted
that it doesn't seem to resemble driving a car much at all. It's kind of
like when GPL came out and then I went back and tried to play Crammond's
GP2.
> > If you just like the GPL cars, or race online, that's a
> > different matter.
> Glad I'm not the only one. I've always been a big GPL fan but if I go back
> and play it now, it's just undrivable. It feels so quirky and convoluted
> that it doesn't seem to resemble driving a car much at all. It's kind of
> like when GPL came out and then I went back and tried to play Crammond's
> GP2.
Drive what you feel most enjoyed by. For me GTR feels like driving a
tank, and I can't even get the eyecandy since my computer is to slow.
/andreas
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In 1999, a year after GPL was released, an Australian historic-car racer
tried GPL when it was being demo'd at Eastern Creek and Wakefield park.
This chap had raced in the Tasman Cup series in the 1960's - when the
engines used were 2.5 litre as opposed to the F1's 3.0 litre - and he owned
a Repco Brabham BT24, which his wife used to also drive on occasion.
According to him, the behaviour of the cars in GPL was way too twitchy; "too
nervous" were his exact words.
He said that any one of us present could, after becoming accustomed to the
car, drive the BT24 at reasonable speeds and not have to put up with the
handling as portrayed in GPL.
Even at eight to nine tenths, the cars were stable and that it was only
when really pushed to their limits that they displayed any uncomfortable
behaviour....as any racing machine would.
BK
Ok. Interesting merits! I would love to own a BT24 or a BT11. :)
I usually think many sims where you drive modern cars feel like driving
a tank, and for me GPL feels much more like the powerful car that it is
I'm driving. Then again, maybe it is more realistic for it to feel like
a tank. I have never driven a real racecar.
I wonder if GPL could be made to feel like it "should" by changing the
setup and/or the force feedback settings?
/andreas
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I agree that 60s GP cars shouldn't turn or stop like recent GT cars.
That's not my problem. It's responses to control inputs (like yanking
the steering or slamming on the brakes) and to setup changes that I
find unrealistic.
"I wonder if GPL could be made to feel like it "should" by changing the
setup and/or the force feedback settings? "
As I said. one place where the GPL physics clearly show their weakness
is the response to setup changes, which is numb, and/or weird. In a
long GPL career, I've tried many, many different setups. So, my answer
is no.
"Drive what you feel most enjoyed by. For me GTR feels like driving a
tank"
I agree with the first sentence :-). But the 550 in GTR is damn near
as twitchy under acceleration as a GPL car. And, at the edge, every
car in GTR is a challenge. The tires stick better to a point, but,
past that point...
> I agree that 60s GP cars shouldn't turn or stop like recent GT cars.
> That's not my problem. It's responses to control inputs (like yanking
> the steering or slamming on the brakes) and to setup changes that I
> find unrealistic.
I agree that setups are really weird. I know that some guys do setups I
can drive and some don't. I don't understand what's going on at all.
Now I use a few basic setup parameters and use them on all tracks, just
like many drivers did back then.
Live on the edge! :)
I'm looking forward to rFactor myself, not that I think I'll tire of GPL
soon.
/andreas
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The chassis would be much less rigid and the tires offered much less
grip, and spring/damper changes would be much less presise then today,
so fine setup changes would have much less effect then today.
So maybe the vagueries of the 1st generation Papy physics engine match
the vagueries of 60's chassis dynamics....? ;)
BK
"The whole setup was "softer" than the cars of only five years later,
let
alone the chassis made of composites of today. "
To clarify: My claim is that, even allowing for 1967 GP technology,
response to setup changes is unrealistic, due to weaknesses in the then
revolutionary GPL physics model. It's particularly noticeable in the
Lotus, whose response to different setups can only be called weird.
" One glaring anomaly of the original setups was the ground clearance
and even
the updated version - which was introduced after several of us brought
this
discrepancy to light with Papyrus - allowed for the cars to sit much
lower
to the ground than in real life.'
Yep. Try that in GTR and the handling goes because the tires are
unloaded over the bumps. You even start to lose a little speed from
scraping the bottom.
