rec.autos.simulators

I did read it all, and I will throw it up again so that you can too.  You
are right, it didn't apply, but was there anyway quoting something that
did.   You just made a general statement that targeted no one, therefore it
hit everyone who was complaining.  Send it back?  Get real.  What do you
think Sierra / Papy rather have:  Cold hard cash, or people, kinda like me,
who complain when a favorite feature is left out of an upgraded program?
Well let me see......  $29.95+ or some email and messages in a news
group....  Gee, can't make a choice there.

Now, those ' Sierra Suck ' guys welll.....   I never said they sucked, and
that is taking it a bit far. I haven't, to my knowledge, had any dealings
with them ( Sierra ), so I can't comment on their customer relations or
policy of shipping pre-ordered copys last, instead of first.  The 'tech
lies' department, however, is something else.  If the posters here are to
be belived, those people haven't a clue as to what is going on with the
Papy side of Sierra, and should not be allowed to comment on it.

I did reply to a few messages that had that 'suck' header, and was too lazy
to bother changing it.  I pre-ordered my copy of Nascar 2 in September, and
forgot about it till I saw it was shipping.  Emailed the vendor ( Computer
Express ) about the order and was told " What order ".  So I bought a copy
at E.B.  Then the next Monday I got my pre-ordered copy that they said
didn't exist.  So, it isn't just Sierra who has a problem in that area.
Still got the extra copy, and am wondering what to do with it...   Well,
some friend or relative will get it for Christmas.

Ah, but I didn't limit it to a patch.  I think I threw in something about
an upgrade, and even a ' whatever '.  Never discount a ' whatever '.  It is
a catch all.  

Time spent entertaining myself is never wasted.  And why post a complaint
to Papy?  They do read this, and even respond once in awhile.  And I am not
pissed at them.  Disappointed , yes.  Pissed, no.  They made a decision to
go with what they had ( which isn't bad by any means ) and market a product
for the Christmas season.  Now that they have, I hope they are allowed the
time to ' tweak ' it a little, and maybe make another release, in some
format or another.

If I appear to rant and rave at Papyrus, I assure you you that I am not.
Hell, I like the game, even have two copies!!  ( Ok, so one was a mistake )
 But I will continue to dispute the e-mail gang and the racing purists.
And I am sure they will keep up their end as well.  They are wrong, they
just don't know it yet!  :-)

If we / I can't make comments about the game, what are we supposed to do?
Just read the posts that compare GP2 ( which I own, but don't play often )
to Nascar and Indycar? Or talk about how fast, or slow, our Reactors and
Matrox's are?  Gee, that sounds like fun.  I would rather have a bunch of
messges here heatedly debating the pros & cons of a Nascar / Indycar / GP2
feature that just go through 20 messages or so about my video card.  

If this bothers anyone, feel free to add us all to your kill files that you
like to flaunt.  Just don't post a message ' Welcoming ' me to it.   No way
are you gonna get the last word.  Someone will always quote at least a
small part of the message, and then you have to ' Kill file ' them too.

Disclaimer :  This is not in any way directed to, or in the direction of
Papyrus.  It is simply my response to this persons misguided stance on the
lack of a save game feature, and my attempt to make him ' see the light '.

Actually, Adam already said why.  Time constraints.

This is expensive, and time consuming.  When I get crashed out, ( never my
fault, of course ) I continue if possible.  Someone will always end up
wrecking out, and then you move up one place.

The reason they quit once wrecked, is because they no longer have a chance
of winning, and will go back to the menu and join another game.  Why pay
the LD charges to sit in a wrecked car at Talladega until the race
finishes?

I have several, but much prefer Nascar to any of them.  If you have imposed
a restriction against saving the game, don't save it.  Have you no self
control?  Do you need the option to be removed so you aren't tempted?

Since ' losing ' the save feature, I have been just checking out the new
tracks.  I still can't drive for squat, but I can look at the pretty
pictures!  :-)

[snip]

Adam Levesque already posted the reason the save game feature was left out.
Here's the post, in case you missed it:

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Newsgroups: rec.autos.simulators
Subject: Re: NASCAR 2 - Save race option gone
Date: 11 Dec 1996 13:26:20 GMT
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Hi All,
     Okay, let me replay to this for the last time (I hope).  The save
game option was left out because we didn't have time to do it.  Not
because we wanted to make it more "sim" like, not because anyone said we
had to, not because we can't stand the thought of people using the game
like they want.  It was purely a resource/time decision.  We decided to
have some other features in the game instead of the save race option.  I
know there are many of you who are upset with that decision and I am sorry
about that.  Unfortunately, because of the nature of the feature, it would
be difficult to implement in a patch.  I am not saying it will "never"
happen, just that we don't have any plans as of right now.  I appreciate
all your criticisms and responses regarding this problem.  Keep other
suggestions coming.

Adam
Papyrus
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3 of the major sims before nascar2 had this option. Does indycar 3d have
this? I bet it does.I think i saw a 600 mile race in n2, wonder how many
hours that would take.
I like a lot of the new features, but i miss the save & pit board bigtime.

Mick in Tampa
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Oh but lets say your point was correct. Well then they could have
single player and multiplayer (non-hawaii) saves. And left out saaving
in Hawaii connections. Options, we like'em.

Q.B.M.

: running Win95, when it isn't being used for sim racing it gets used for greedy
: ray tracing and graphics programs which just won't accomodate other tasks
: running at the same time. Since I want to run 100% races, and N2 won't let me
: do that, there's no point in me buying it which is rather disappointing to me
: to say the least.

N2 WILL let you run 100% races... the problem here is that you really
don't want to run a 100% race... you want maybe 3-4 short races to add
upto a 100% race. That's no different than simply running 3-4 short races
by themselves except that the winner and stats are different... and
perhaps minor strategies... but a 50% race at most tracks contains ALL the
same strategies as the 100% would... it's just not as long of a race.

I thought about not buying N2 for sometime... but, decided NOT to let the
lack of 1 feature keep me from experiencing the enjoyment of all the other
features. Just my thoughts.

bill

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Deep In The Heart Of The South

Nope, we typically run 25-40% races. I deliberately schedule them so that
they take about an hour of race time. With practice and qualifying, it's
about an hour and a half of online time. The races require at least 1 or 2
pit stops. It's not a race for me unless it includes at least one pit stop.

Actually, one of our drivers is organizing a 100% race series on Hawaii.
I'd be tempted to run one, just to see what it's like, but my wife would
probably kill me if I spent 4 or 5 hours glued to the computer with that
engine droning. <g>

Dave (davids) Sparks
Late Night League
http://www.sequoia-dev.com/Hawaii/latenite.html

   The Rendition version of NASCAR2 will do all of these things except
the last -- it won't respond to Alt-Tab and I don't know how to get
back to Win95, aside from quitting NASCAR2.  Programs started prior to
NASCAR keep running (I've had Forte Free Agent happily DLing newgroup
headers the whole time I tested this), so once you establish a network
connection for online racing you should be OK -- if you need to have
access to your networking program *during* NASCAR2, you may well have
a problem (I don't know specifically how stuff like TEN & NRO will
work).

   I assume the question here is (S)VGA mode vs. Rendition mode.

Pick one or more: Model Rockets (competition-NERCB) / PCs (even Atari!) /
Papyrus ICR-ICR2-NCR / Who needs a life when you have multiple non-lives?

The computer drone she could handle ( since she stuck the computer in a
back room ) but once that phonebill hit she would have a cow.  As it is,
she gets a case when she see those 1 1/2 hour calls to MA.  She swears I am
calling my ' honey '.  ( Little does she know.....   :-)  )

Stuart

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             thanks

-> I have GP Manager I but I prefer Grand Prix Wizard by
-> Wizard Games of Scotland.

-> It's not as graphics intensive as GPM but Guess what -- no
-> bugs! I have more info if you want it.

Tell me more !!!

Is it a manager game that actually _works_ ???

Regards

Lars

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Yes, the opp strength % does also affect this. Basically, the AI cars
will take off like a shot at the start of the race, but you should be
able to catch them throughout the course of the race if you drive quite
well. It's challenging with a short race length, but that's part of what
makes it fun...

---Jim Sokoloff, Papyrus

<snip>
:    Second, in this particular case, the race save feature is *not*
: going to get fixed by a patch, so I have no danger of profitting from
: such a patch.
<snip>

Care to inform us of your "reliable" source for the above information?
Unless you know for a fact that this is true now and in the future,
please refrain from imparting "false" and "unconfirmed" information.

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