But there is no big killer grasp over 1972.
Why not 76? The Tyrrel 6 Wheeler is an F1 iconic image. People would love
it. I don't rate this story, sorry.
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But there is no big killer grasp over 1972.
Why not 76? The Tyrrel 6 Wheeler is an F1 iconic image. People would love
it. I don't rate this story, sorry.
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But if you look at is from a Papy/Sierra perspective 72 is prefect. It would
not be a game that would sell allot of copies so it would have to be made as
cheaply as possible with existing tools and code. 77+ is out of the question
because of the ground effects, that would probably isn't modelled in the N4
physics engine. 73-77 are great seasons especially the last two but there
are 14-17 tracks in those years (16 in 76) 72 has only 12 tracks that is
allot less work. 70-71 are too early and don't have full slicks.
If papy are choosing the cheapest quickest easiest to do season that has big
fat slicks and wings, great drivers, tracks and cars they would chose 1972
Alex
> > Think tho Mr Zonky....
> > if they do 1972, that still leaves many more years to do in future
> > decades...
> But there is no big killer grasp over 1972.
> Why not 76? The Tyrrel 6 Wheeler is an F1 iconic image. People would love
> it. I don't rate this story, sorry.
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Of course I know, but then I'd have to kill you, bla-bla.
What I can say is the disappointingly small number of initial sales has
probably doubled over the past three years as surplus stocks have dribbled
onto the market. I bought 8 copies of the game from a liquidator recently
(Papy never game me any spare copies of the strategy guide I wrote for
them); they still had their Electronics Boutique stickers on them, and they
looked shop-worn, like they'd been sitting in a warehouse for years...which
they probably had.
What amazes me is that, despite Sierra's colossal lack of marketing effort,
there are a dozen or so people every week who have just discovered GPL, most
of whom become fanatic converts.
If there is a GPL2, I would think it is due more to (French media giant)
Vivendi's awareness that there is a laerge--and growing--cadre of GPL fans
in Europe than any insight into the sim audience on Sierra's part here in
the U.S.
--Steve
> Alex
> > Brrraaaappp! (Wrong. They GAVE AWAY 120,000 copies in Europe, but
that's
> > not the same thing as selling them.)
> > > > The main reason GPL didn't sell well is that it is so difficult,
1972
> > cars
> > > > with the improvements made to the low speed tyre model in N4 will
make
> > it
> > > > allot easier to learn than GPL.
> > > It's almost now a myth to say that GPL didn't sell well. I've heard
> > > contradictory information that GPL sold very well in Europe over the
> years
> > > (over 100,000), and still continue to sell after 3 years on the
shelves.
> > > All the "classic" repackaging have been sold, they are very hard to
> find.
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This way we could have the Gilles Villeneuve circuit, the original Long
Beach, the long version of Buenos Aires, Paul Ricard, Montjuich, etc...
(replacing tracks like Nivelles, which looks quite boring).
But it's probably just a pipe dream ;-D
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> What amazes me is that, despite Sierra's colossal lack of marketing effort,
> there are a dozen or so people every week who have just discovered GPL, most
> of whom become fanatic converts.
Uwe
> But don't you see that's why I rate the story (as well as it having a named
> source from a sierra office that has a soft spot for GPL) no one would ever
> make up 1972 if it was a fake it would be 76, 78, even 73 but never 72 I've
> looked around the internet for GPL2 wishlist's and not one of them mention
> 72.
This story has no more credibility than if I was to stick on my web site
that I'd just heard a rumour that GPL2 was to be the 1986 season.
There's no evidence for any of this at all.
Why not just wait until something shows up on the papy site.
Anyway GPL can't have sold 'that' badly it is currently outselling Half Life
in the UK
http://www.vivendi-universal-interactive.co.uk/ChartToppers.asp?Machi...
IBM&Type=1
(that probably wrapped)
Maybe it didn't do well compared to the huge development costs, but it was
started from scratch and I think it took 4 or 5 years didn't it? GPL 1972 if
they use tools and code they already have would probably be cheap, easy and
quick for Papy to put together (compared to GPL 1967). So hopefully they
wont need to sell as many copies for it to be seen as a success by Sierra
and then we might get a few more GPL's :-) If GPL 1972 is really happening
of course.
Alex
> Of course I know, but then I'd have to kill you, bla-bla.
> What I can say is the disappointingly small number of initial sales has
> probably doubled over the past three years as surplus stocks have dribbled
> onto the market. I bought 8 copies of the game from a liquidator recently
> (Papy never game me any spare copies of the strategy guide I wrote for
> them); they still had their Electronics Boutique stickers on them, and
they
> looked shop-worn, like they'd been sitting in a warehouse for
years...which
> they probably had.
> What amazes me is that, despite Sierra's colossal lack of marketing
effort,
> there are a dozen or so people every week who have just discovered GPL,
most
> of whom become fanatic converts.
> If there is a GPL2, I would think it is due more to (French media giant)
> Vivendi's awareness that there is a laerge--and growing--cadre of GPL fans
> in Europe than any insight into the sim audience on Sierra's part here in
> the U.S.
> --Steve
> > Steve, do you have any info on whether this could be true or not? Please
> > give us a hint if you know anything :-)
> > Alex
> Brrraaaappp! (Wrong. They GAVE AWAY 120,000 copies in Europe, but that's
> not the same thing as selling them.)
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CART CART CART...oh, sorry...F1 F1 F1 !!!
> Phil.
> > There are rumours that Sierra France has announced that papy's next sim
> will
> > be N5 in march 2002 followed by Grand Prix Legends 72 in september,
> > http://www.simactu.com/
> > I haven't got a clue whether it's true or not but if it is it's the news
> > we've all been waiting for :-)
> > Alex
I don't mean to imply that I have any foreknowledge of Papy's plans--I
don't. But I do know how disappointingly meager their initial sales of GPL
were; small enuf that I never thought Sierra would greenlight another 1.
road-racing sim, and/or 2. another historic sim (NASCAR Legends fared even
worse, I hear). However, the extraordinary "afterlife" ("legs" in Hollywood
parlance) of GPL may have been enuf to convince their French masters that
there is life left in one or both of these genres. I wouldn't pick 1972,
either (or even F1; I'd think Can-Am would have a lot more "marquee value"),
but I'd gratefully take any road-racing sim from 1937 to the present that
Dave Kaemmer's involved with and die a happy man.
--Steve
> Alex
> > Brrraaaappp! (Wrong. They GAVE AWAY 120,000 copies in Europe, but
that's
> > not the same thing as selling them.)
> > > > The main reason GPL didn't sell well is that it is so difficult,
1972
> > cars
> > > > with the improvements made to the low speed tyre model in N4 will
make
> > it
> > > > allot easier to learn than GPL.
> > > It's almost now a myth to say that GPL didn't sell well. I've heard
> > > contradictory information that GPL sold very well in Europe over the
> years
> > > (over 100,000), and still continue to sell after 3 years on the
shelves.
> > > All the "classic" repackaging have been sold, they are very hard to
> find.
> > > --
> > > -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> > > -- May the Downforce be with you...
> > > -- http://www.ymenard.com/
> > > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez
> > > Corporation - helping America into the New World...
Here's a tip to increase your life expectancy.... The game CD is supposed to
go in the CD-ROM drive, not your esophagus. ;-)
Jan.
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> Alex,
> I don't mean to imply that I have any foreknowledge of Papy's plans--I
> don't. But I do know how disappointingly meager their initial sales of GPL
> were; small enuf that I never thought Sierra would greenlight another 1.
> road-racing sim, and/or 2. another historic sim (NASCAR Legends fared even
> worse, I hear). However, the extraordinary "afterlife" ("legs" in Hollywood
> parlance) of GPL may have been enuf to convince their French masters that
> there is life left in one or both of these genres. I wouldn't pick 1972,
> either (or even F1; I'd think Can-Am would have a lot more "marquee value"),
> but I'd gratefully take any road-racing sim from 1937 to the present that
> Dave Kaemmer's involved with and die a happy man.
Alfa Romeo GTA
Lotus Cortina
Ford Falcon/Galaxie
BMW 2000
Mini Cooper S
Either that or an early to mid 90's AussieV8 sim, anyone who has seen
the battle between Peter Brock and Larry Perkins in the early laps of
the rainy 1992 (?) Bathurst 1000 knows how exciting this series can
be....
Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
http://www.theuspits.com
http://www.teammirage.com
"A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke"
--Groucho Marx--
Alex
> I don't mean to imply that I have any foreknowledge of Papy's plans--I
> don't. But I do know how disappointingly meager their initial sales
of GPL
> were; small enuf that I never thought Sierra would greenlight another
1.
> road-racing sim, and/or 2. another historic sim (NASCAR Legends fared
even
> worse, I hear). However, the extraordinary "afterlife" ("legs" in
Hollywood
> parlance) of GPL may have been enuf to convince their French masters
that
> there is life left in one or both of these genres. I wouldn't pick
1972,
> either (or even F1; I'd think Can-Am would have a lot more "marquee
value"),
> but I'd gratefully take any road-racing sim from 1937 to the present
that
> Dave Kaemmer's involved with and die a happy man.
> --Steve
> > Steve, do you have any info on whether this could be true or not?
Please
> > give us a hint if you know anything :-)
> > Alex
> > > Brrraaaappp! (Wrong. They GAVE AWAY 120,000 copies in Europe,
but
> that's
> > > not the same thing as selling them.)
> > > > > The main reason GPL didn't sell well is that it is so
difficult,
> 1972
> > > cars
> > > > > with the improvements made to the low speed tyre model in N4
will
> make
> > > it
> > > > > allot easier to learn than GPL.
> > > > It's almost now a myth to say that GPL didn't sell well. I've
heard
> > > > contradictory information that GPL sold very well in Europe over
the
> > years
> > > > (over 100,000), and still continue to sell after 3 years on the
> shelves.
> > > > All the "classic" repackaging have been sold, they are very hard
to
> > find.
> > > > --
> > > > -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> > > > -- May the Downforce be with you...
> > > > -- http://www.ymenard.com/
> > > > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez
> > > > Corporation - helping America into the New World...