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Gpl Multi-good because of Vroc or Papyrus?

Dave Henri

Gpl Multi-good because of Vroc or Papyrus?

by Dave Henri » Sat, 22 Jan 2000 04:00:00

  Havent' been recently underwhelmed by N3's multiplayer, I am
wondering.  Is the multiplayer aspect of GPL better because of the basic
code provided by Papyrus or because of how Vroc is implemented?
  I've also wondered about the drivers and find much more driver mistake
caused crashes in N3 than I generally see in Gpl.  Is that because;
a: the gpl drivers are more aware of their fragile open wheels?
b: the Nascar ovals tend to pack in the cars tighter?
c: the general level of driver is more advanced in a gpl pickup race  
than in a N3 pickup race?
d: Why are you asking these stupid questions when you have two
different    races to get ready for?
dave henrie
Michael Barlo

Gpl Multi-good because of Vroc or Papyrus?

by Michael Barlo » Sat, 22 Jan 2000 04:00:00


>   Havent' been recently underwhelmed by N3's multiplayer, I am
> wondering.  Is the multiplayer aspect of GPL better because of the basic
> code provided by Papyrus or because of how Vroc is implemented?

        I can't answer that because I simply don't know.  I'll take a wild
guess though.. It's because of the code with in GPL(?)  I say this
because (I think) the NASCAR3 multi player code is the same code used in
NASCAR1.  GPL is a completely different code and a whole lot newer.

        You forgot "E".. More Kids in NASCAR then there are in GPL.

Just guessing,
Mike
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ymenar

Gpl Multi-good because of Vroc or Papyrus?

by ymenar » Sun, 23 Jan 2000 04:00:00


I don't see how GPL's multiplayer coding is better.  Take a ride on an oval
in GPL, and look how the prediction code has problem compared to N3.
Basically on two same server, you will have a better server/client packet
sharing in N3.  Due to the nature of Stockcars, and the bandwith necessity.
You don't pay as much attention to other cars in GPL also.  You are focused
on driving your car, and look at them only when you are in a position
situation.  Racing N3 online, you need to be aware of everything around you,
and you also have the tools for that (F1, F2, F2 enter).  With short
laptimes, lappers and leaders will soon battle, and with the pit strategy
who is very important, you tend more to watch the surroundings.  And also,
the chances to be close to other affect your view of N3.  In GPL, when can
you see 10cars bunched up within 1 second? On the start.  And it's pretty
ugly, look at them warp everywhere.  In N3, I see that very often.  Thus, a
normal warp can look pretty big.

Stock-cars do less drastic movement changes.  They are more sluggish, so the
predicted code has a better ability to "predict" where it will be going.
Also, the packet sharing is lower.  The physics are less complicated, and
IIRC it takes around 19000bps compared to 24000 for GPL.  Not 100% sure here
;)

That could be a reason, yes.

That also is very important.  Driver-to-driver contact is much higher due to
the nature of stockcar racing.  On a Bullring-type oval that is half a mile
in lenght, and with 20 humans, there is much more chances of crashes
compared to 20 humans at the Nurburgring.

As a N3 and GPL driver I would agree with you.  Not that there is no good N3
drivers.  I would say there is even more than in GPL because of the total #
of N3 online racers compared to GPL.  But as any extremes, there is much
more bad drivers also.  Especially if you aren't racing with the beta patch.
You are then missing all the quality drivers.  In GPL, I simply do not know
drivers who aren't sportsman.  They are in a very minority.  In N3, any Joe
Public or punk kid can create havoc.

That question does not compute with me Dave ;-)

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Gpl Multi-good because of Vroc or Papyrus?

by Richard ZZ Busc » Sun, 23 Jan 2000 04:00:00

   You also forgot "F".. BilyJoeJimBob like to crash cars ala Nascar

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Tony Kelle

Gpl Multi-good because of Vroc or Papyrus?

by Tony Kelle » Sun, 23 Jan 2000 04:00:00

<<You also forgot "F".. BilyJoeJimBob like to crash cars ala Nascar>>

 AH HA......oh man, someone call 911. Haven't been able to breath since I
read that one. Thats just tooo damn funny.

 .....Get real, talk about a sterotypical white collar, F1fan, silver spoon
fed, GPL drivin,  holier than thou remark.

TK

BTW I have nothing against GPL <G>

Woodie

Gpl Multi-good because of Vroc or Papyrus?

by Woodie » Mon, 24 Jan 2000 04:00:00



><<You also forgot "F".. BilyJoeJimBob like to crash cars ala Nascar>>

> AH HA......oh man, someone call 911. Haven't been able to breath since I
>read that one. Thats just tooo damn funny.

> .....Get real, talk about a sterotypical white collar, F1fan, silver spoon
>fed, GPL drivin,  holier than thou remark.

To the best of my knowledge, "GPL driving" is the only stereotype you named
which would fit the author.  I own, race, enjoy N3 and I think his explaination
covers the problem quite well.  There just happen to be more jerks on WON than
there are on VROC.

Don McCorkle


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