rec.autos.simulators

What's next ?

Do we have to loose every single historic GP ????

Look at GPL, and how the tracks looked!! So why does Silverstone look
like the Hungaroring, which no one wanted to race on in the first
place....nd everyone keeps complaining about every year...

Bring back those GREAT GPL tracks, man !!! Save F1 from becoming a very
silly form of racing....please...

To those who think I'm either silly or stupid, just play GPL and see for
yourself !!

Hmm...
The Ring -- gone
Zandvoort -- gone (but maybe replacing Spa)
Mexico -- gone
Kyalami -- gone
Mosport -- gone
Le Mans -- gone
Rouen -- gone
The Glen -- gone
Silverstone -- changed A LOT

Only Monza and Monaco are still recognisable.....

Oh Man!!! DOES GPL become a game of GOOD MEMORIES or not ??

Please Papyrus, make us a game with all the other great tracks....we are
going to need it :(

Bart

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An eternity is very, very long - especially towards the end!

What do mean with 'Spa has been kicked by Bernie'? I didn't get that! Does
it mean, there is a discussion about Spa being too dangerous? Now, that
would be very sad, if Spa would get removed from F1! Just because Jaques
tries the same stunts every year... :-)
But seriously, you're right, it's a pity that some tracks aren't used any
more. On the other hand, many of them would really be far too dangerous for
today's F1.
Just imagine the Ring with an 800hp rocket..., or the old Woodcote corner...
But some tracks should be replaced by better ones. What comes to my mind is
Hungaroring, Magny Cours (only thanks to rain this year's GP was not as
boring as in the last years), Barcelona,...
Zandy would be great, but not instead of Spa.

Peter
Vienna, Austria

On Sat, 28 Aug 1999 19:27:38 +0200, "Bart-W. van Lith"

Huh? What do you mean with 'kicked by Bernie'? As far as I know Spa
will stay on the GP calendar and the 'modifications' (in fact it was
shortened beause drivers refused to race there anymore due to safety
reasons and wasn't used therefore between 1970 and 1983) were already
in place in the pre-Bernie era - not that he has much influence in
track layout anyway.

--Tel

It's the tobacco ban not the track being to dangerous.

Bernie has influence in to many things, including track lauout.

You might give old Bernie a break on this one, and go after the Belgian
government instead.  They, like so many governments around the world these
days, believe that the public's just too weak-brained to resist immediately
rushing to the nearest smoke shop and destroying our lungs  if we see those
flashy cigarette ads (on race cars, in this instance).  But then we DID
elect them, so maybe they've got a point....  Anyway, they want to ban all
tobacco advertising and the tobacco companies won't pony up the sponsorship
dollars if they're not going to get TV exposure, thus the dilemma.  This is
an ongoing fight between the tobacco companies and various governments, and
all motor racing (not just F1) just got caught in the crossfire.  Whatever
else you think about him, you can bet Bernie didn't start this one and
dearly wishes it would just go away.

Cheers,

Steve B.

From www.itv-f1.com:

SPA MAY BE LEFT OUT OF F1 CALENDAR

Early reports say the authorities failed to come to a conclusion in a
two-hour meeting Saturday with Formula One ringmaster Bernie
Ecclestone...

...Teams have said they are not willing to race at the circuit if the
tobacco ban - which became law in January - remains in place.

---
Antti Markus Peteri

       15 miles. your dim light shines from so far away

                                 - Soul Asylum, Promises Broken

Ive always known it and now this proves it...Bernie has RUINED F1 racing.  I
hold very little interrest in it anymore.  I was a big F1 fan in the late 80s
early 90s but i LOVE the 60s and 70s era GP racing.  There was so much
innovation in design and so many great drivers that it was much more
competitive.  The F1 of today has become Bernie Ecclestone's version of Disney
World.  All hes concerned about is making himself rich in the process of
ruining F1.  He did get the USGP back but come on....that track at Indy is a
far cry from Watkins Glen or even the Detroit street circuit.  

And in response to the drives thinking things unsafe...CART runs 240+ at
Michigan and they dont think its "unsafe".  Dangerous yes....but they dont cry
and moan about it the way F1 does.  The drivers dont seem to mind it as much as
they did in the 70s (good god were those guys crybabies sometimes...i like
those guys and i say that).  But the developers and the FIA complains about
saftey like racing is something thats safe to do.  The cant accept that racing
is going to be dangerous no matter what.  Its an inherent risk of the sport.
Frankly i respect any person who is able to face that day in and day out to be
a racecar driver.

Anyways thuse ends my long rant that u may or may not agree with.

Chris

This same thing happened last year, I think it's just political bargaining
by Bernie to keep the Tabacco advertising in Spa despite Belgium's attempt
to ban it, as well as threats to give him better leverage in the negotiations
for fees between the Spa organizers and the FIA/FOCA.

But I do have to say, part of what makes Formula 1 such a love for me is
the tradition of running on legendary tracks like Spa, Monza, Monaco etc,
if Bernie ever drops Spa in favor of crappy tracks like Hungary just because
of the Tabacco advertizing, the *magic* of Formula 1 will be gone and fans
like me will quit watching. Spa, Monaco and Monza are my favorite
races of the year exactly because of the great history behind these great
tracks.

Hoping Bernie realizes F1 wouldn't half as special without Spa despite
his negotiations threats.

Seeyas on the track.

--John (Joao) Silva

The only reason Spa has been dropped from the 2000 calender is because of
the Belgium ban of Tobacco advertising. Not because it's too dangerous, or
because Bernie doesn't like it. It's just no longer feasable for a sport the
relies of Fag-Money SOOO much to race somewhere where it can't be promoted.

If dangerous tracks were being dropped, then Canada, Monaco...Spa has acres
of run off.

Doug

Once again that all is certainly not Ecclestone's idea nor are any of
the regulation changes in recent years. You may thank Mosley (or
Balestre) and his lackeys for that. Wether it's okay how he's making
himself rich the way he distributes tv rights is certainly debatable
but than again that's at least not hampering racing in any way.

Of course its dangerous, as we all could see a couple of times this
year. Fortunately it's not as dangerous as it was about 20 years ago,
don't know about you but frankly I don't follow the sport to see 1 or
2 drivers dead at the end of the season.
Also I'm wondering how that is related to track layout modifications
at all. As far as I can see CARTs do not run on 10 miles public road
courses either, in fact most of the tracks they run on these days are
even shorter than what is used in F1 and have been modified almost
yearly. I.e. if you wish you can thank them for what have been done to
the Glen (like destroying the back straight in 92).
And no matter what, even the current Spa layout is still one of the
worlds best race tracks as are many other traditional F1 circuits as
well. That's no contest.

--Tel

Bart, you have neatly listed all the reasons why I (and a lot of my
contemporaries) gave up on "modern" F1 back in the mid-to-late 1980s.
The one race that I always watched, however, was the Belgian GP, at Spa.

It now looks as if I can kiss Formula One goodbye for good. (sigh)

BK

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It's to do with tobacco advertising, not safety.

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It's nothing to do with the track....it is about cigarette advertising.

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<snip>

Yeah, but did you see sunday's race.  Even on this great circuit there
was no overtaking, not even any attempted overtaking.  It was just one
long borathon.  About halfway through I found myself concentrating on
other things whilst keeping one eye on the race in case there was any
e***ment, which infortunately didn't materialise.

I'm starting to look forward more to CART racing, even though
unfortunately I'm unable to see it live, but am able to watch it on
tuesday nights on channel 5 here in the UK.
--
Peter Ives