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by **Robi** » Wed, 08 Aug 2001 09:06:15

Okay, I've had GPL on my system for about a year now and I know that isn't a
long time compared to the local ***s in here but I finally got around
to working on a Nurburgring time that I won't be ashamed of. Actually, until
a week ago I hadn't successfully made an entire circuit of the 'ring without
aborting my attempt after a third or forth off.
Well, I decided I needed to at least make an entire lap and get a time in my
"Best Laps" slot for the 'ring, so... I worked at it for a while and I can
now picture what corner is coming next and have some idea of where on the
course I am when I move the slider on the replay screen and hit "play".
My best lap to date... promise not to laugh... is a 9:29.09 (that includes
two half-spins that were recovered fairly quickly so I think at my present
level of 'ring proficiency I should be able to pull off a 9:15.xx.
Right now the sub 9 minute lap is like the sub 1:30 at Monza was for me...
it seems very far away right now but that sub 1:30 at Monza seemed to happen
all of a sudden out of the blue one night when I wasn't really trying that
hard so I hope for a similar progression at the 'ring.
I drive the Ferrari almost exclusively just because it seems to match my
driving style the best and I like the view a lot out of the Ferrari... seems
more open than the Lotus. I love the sound of the Ferrari as well. I have
read somewhere that the Coventry is a good car to learn a course in.... any
truth to that? I might give the Cooper a go if I thought I could better that
time to sub 9 minute range. Is that possible in the Cooper?
TIA,
Robin

by **Eldre** » Wed, 08 Aug 2001 10:41:23

>I drive the Ferrari almost exclusively just because it seems to match my
>driving style the best and I like the view a lot out of the Ferrari... seems
>more open than the Lotus. I love the sound of the Ferrari as well. I have
>read somewhere that the Coventry is a good car to learn a course in.... any
>truth to that? I might give the Cooper a go if I thought I could better that
>time to sub 9 minute range. Is that possible in the Cooper?

Yeah - I've seen Cooper laps as fast as 8:15, I think.
It's not the arrow, it's the Indian...<g>

Eldred
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by **Rafe McAulif** » Wed, 08 Aug 2001 12:59:32

I can feel your pain, same story here for a long time. Down to an 8:57
now - Woohoo!

Couple of things for learning it from another learner - concentrate on
the three fast twisty sections, you'll make the most time there if you
can keep it going. Schwedenkruez, Fuchsrohre/Ardenauer Forst and
Kesselchen made a huge difference, I was too tentative as I was
learning.

And download Ringtrainer and choose your starting point. The best way
to get the hang of the furthest parts without a 5min drive to get to
them.

Good luck

Rafe Mc

On Tue, 07 Aug 2001 00:06:15 GMT, "Robin"

>Okay, I've had GPL on my system for about a year now and I know that isn't a
>long time compared to the local ***s in here but I finally got around
>to working on a Nurburgring time that I won't be ashamed of. Actually, until
>a week ago I hadn't successfully made an entire circuit of the 'ring without
>aborting my attempt after a third or forth off.
>Well, I decided I needed to at least make an entire lap and get a time in my
>"Best Laps" slot for the 'ring, so... I worked at it for a while and I can
>now picture what corner is coming next and have some idea of where on the
>course I am when I move the slider on the replay screen and hit "play".
>My best lap to date... promise not to laugh... is a 9:29.09 (that includes
>two half-spins that were recovered fairly quickly so I think at my present
>level of 'ring proficiency I should be able to pull off a 9:15.xx.
>Right now the sub 9 minute lap is like the sub 1:30 at Monza was for me...
>it seems very far away right now but that sub 1:30 at Monza seemed to happen
>all of a sudden out of the blue one night when I wasn't really trying that
>hard so I hope for a similar progression at the 'ring.
>I drive the Ferrari almost exclusively just because it seems to match my
>driving style the best and I like the view a lot out of the Ferrari... seems
>more open than the Lotus. I love the sound of the Ferrari as well. I have
>read somewhere that the Coventry is a good car to learn a course in.... any
>truth to that? I might give the Cooper a go if I thought I could better that
>time to sub 9 minute range. Is that possible in the Cooper?
>TIA,
>Robin

by **Robi** » Wed, 08 Aug 2001 14:53:52

> >I drive the Ferrari almost exclusively just because it seems to match my
> >driving style the best and I like the view a lot out of the Ferrari...
seems
> >more open than the Lotus. I love the sound of the Ferrari as well. I have
> >read somewhere that the Coventry is a good car to learn a course in....
any
> >truth to that? I might give the Cooper a go if I thought I could better
that
> >time to sub 9 minute range. Is that possible in the Cooper?

> Yeah - I've seen Cooper laps as fast as 8:15, I think.
> It's not the arrow, it's the Indian...<g>

> Eldred
> --
> Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
> Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
> F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59...

> Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats
you
> with experience...
> Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Hee hee, I should have specified "human" abilities in the Cooper.
Regards,
Robin

by **Robi** » Wed, 08 Aug 2001 14:53:52

I have dl'd the Ringtrainer but I have mostly used it just to start at the
last point before start/finish so I get a lap time with out doing the warmup
tour... maybe I should work on those fast twisties as I know I'm tentative
to say the least. I think the last four minutes before the long straight are
spent in 3rd gear in the Ferrari just 'cause I don't want to blow a complete
lap.
I'll try your suggestions, thanks.
Regards,
Robin

by **Steve Garrot** » Wed, 08 Aug 2001 22:07:07

Let me just tell you that I am at 9:06.14 at the Ring in Alison's
Ferrari. Now that I have told you that, you can take from this what
you want.
I have to say the single most important thing for the Ring is to
actually drive the track for a few hours at a time. Heck run a few
races there! I have run every F1 and F3 car there, and the only thing
that makes me faster, is to be easier on the throttle (don't mash it
to the floor after every turn, ease into it) and just knowing what is
next. The Brabham helped me get to a 9:24.36, and then I was able to
get other cars that low (not all). I am starting a Love/Hate
relationship with the Brab. I am sure many will say I am not
quallified to give this advice as I have not broke 9 minutes at the
Ring, but next time I get a few hours to kill . . .

SLG
GLP Monster Rank F1: 909.21
GPL Monster Rank F3: 3048.91
(Hey, now stop laughing!)

>> I can feel your pain, same story here for a long time. Down to an 8:57
>> now - Woohoo!

>> Couple of things for learning it from another learner - concentrate on
>> the three fast twisty sections, you'll make the most time there if you
>> can keep it going. Schwedenkruez, Fuchsrohre/Ardenauer Forst and
>> Kesselchen made a huge difference, I was too tentative as I was
>> learning.

>> And download Ringtrainer and choose your starting point. The best way
>> to get the hang of the furthest parts without a 5min drive to get to
>> them.

>> Good luck

>> Rafe Mc

>I have dl'd the Ringtrainer but I have mostly used it just to start at the
>last point before start/finish so I get a lap time with out doing the warmup
>tour... maybe I should work on those fast twisties as I know I'm tentative
>to say the least. I think the last four minutes before the long straight are
>spent in 3rd gear in the Ferrari just 'cause I don't want to blow a complete
>lap.
>I'll try your suggestions, thanks.
>Regards,
>Robin

(All spelling errors are intentional and are there to show new
and improved ways of spelling old words. Grammatical errors are
due to too many English classes/teachers)

by **Jan Verschuere** » Wed, 08 Aug 2001 23:14:43

The real key to the Ring is realising you don't need to carry a whole lot
more speed through each individual turn to shave off a massive chunk of
time. I.e. get a rythm going, attack when you can, use prudence when you
must. Sub-9 minutes should be within everyone's grasp.

As for the Brabham, I can go along with you in as far as I have a hate/hate
relationship with the twitchy SOB. I've been driving it as part of working
towards an F2 MonsterRank and I can honestly say: even if it allows for an
advantage in F2 racing, anyone prepared to live with handling like that is
welcome to it, IMO.

Jan.
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by **Eldre** » Wed, 08 Aug 2001 23:53:01

>Hee hee, I should have specified "human" abilities in the Cooper.
>Regards,
>Robin

Ah, in that case...
Yes, the Cooper is capable of sub - 9 minute times. Heck, even I've gotten
down to about 8:45 or so...<g>

Eldred
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Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
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Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you
with experience...
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by **Robi** » Thu, 09 Aug 2001 01:14:24

> >Hee hee, I should have specified "human" abilities in the Cooper.
> >Regards,
> >Robin

> Ah, in that case...
> Yes, the Cooper is capable of sub - 9 minute times. Heck, even I've
gotten
> down to about 8:45 or so...<g>

> Eldred
> --
> Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
> Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
> F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59...

Ah Eldred... you give me hope! It seems that in the course of the last year
reading your posts on the trials and tribulations of shaving off lap time I
have a weird parallel with you. If you have done sub 9 min. at the 'ring
then I believe I can as well.
This 'ring time thing is what has been keeping me from the mysterious world
of GPL Rank... to be honest I haven't even looked into it yet fearing I will
do nothing but embarrass my countrymen (Canada). I'll have to start working
on some other times as well now and get sucked into the never ending spiral
of practicing hotlaps to better my GPL Rank. Oh God... what have I done! ;)
Regards,
Robin

by **Robi** » Thu, 09 Aug 2001 01:14:26

I think the biggest thing for me is exactly what you just stated in the
middle of your post... "just knowing what is next."... I am still tentative
when I know there is a corner coming (always just over a slight rise that
will catch you out if you try to carry too much speed) and I end up braking
too early to save a lap. I think the biggest thing for me is that the damn
track is so long that I hate throwing away a lap trying to push into a
breaking point and then spinning. You may have a point about spending a few
hours with the track as well but with the usual family obligations (small
children seem to demand a fair amount of attention) I think I would have to
ship the family away for a weekend without me along to get any extended time
with this sim.
Regards,
Robin

by **Eldre** » Thu, 09 Aug 2001 02:12:46

Hey, at least you HAVE a Monster F3 rank. I haven't done one yet...

Eldred
--
Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59...

Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you
with experience...
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by **Thom j** » Thu, 09 Aug 2001 03:07:17

Well get hopping Eldred.. Dammit!! :)~

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| Hey, at least you HAVE a Monster F3 rank. I haven't done one yet...
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by **Roger Squire** » Thu, 09 Aug 2001 04:25:25

You really should try FD, it makes learning the ring fun, as you don't have
nearly so many dumb wrecks from having too much power available. Also the
laptimes at your present skill level will be about the same or maybe even
better, as you'll have more confidence when flooring it. Aliens can do 8:05
in FD, so there is plenty of headroom too.

rms

by **Steve Garrot** » Thu, 09 Aug 2001 05:04:24

You know what bums me out about my Monster Rank of 909.21, is all the
F2 guys that are WAY faster than that! I just have to live with the
fact that I suck. I still am tempted to start the League for those
that Suck (LfttS).

SLG

>Garrotto) writes:

>>SLG
>>GLP Monster Rank F1: 909.21
>>GPL Monster Rank F3: 3048.91
>>(Hey, now stop laughing!)

>Hey, at least you HAVE a Monster F3 rank. I haven't done one yet...

>Eldred
>--
>Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
>Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
>F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59...

>Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you
>with experience...
>Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

(All spelling errors are intentional and are there to show new
and improved ways of spelling old words. Grammatical errors are
due to too many English classes/teachers)

by **Dave Henri** » Thu, 09 Aug 2001 10:43:02

thanks Steve, my ONE moment of glory...being ahead of you at the Ring is
now over.....my 15 minutes are up...
you made my day....ratfink...(oops keyboard error,....really.....) :)
dave henrie

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